Murdoch to Rogers (Permanent Under-Secretary)
Emigration Office
30 March 1863
Sir,
I have to acknowledge your letter of
20th instant with a further
letter from the Governor of the Hudsons Bay C
o on the subject of the
surrender to the Crown of the unsold land in the Town of
Victoria
Vancouvers Island.
2. In a despatch dated
3rd Decr last Governor Douglas complained
of delay on the part of the Agent of the Company in furnishing a
statement of the Land ceded to the Crown under the Agreement of
Febry
1862, and
intimated a suspicion that the Agent was dealing with the
unappropriated land in a manner inconsistent with good faith and with
the rights acquired by the Crown under that Agreement. As the only
way of dealing with this despatch it was suggested in a report from
this Board of
18th ultimo that it should be communicated to the
Governor of the Company—that he should be requested to cooperate in
expediting the completion of the arrangement between the Company and
the Government and that it should be pointed out that no grants made
by the Company after
1st Janry 1862 could be
recognized except under
special circumstances—and that all money accruing from such grants
would belong not to the Company but to the Crown.
3. To the principle there laid down the Governor entirely
assents—and expresses the earnest desire of the Company to adhere
strictly and in good faith to the Agreement of
Febry 1862. He also
expresses his surprize that
Governor Douglas, by whom the Reserve at
Victoria was originally made on behalf of the Company, should have in
his possession no plan of it—and he encloses a plan of the Land to
the South and West of
James' Bay showing the portion
disposed of by
the Company and the portion to revert to the Crown, which had been
received by the last Mail from
Mr McTavish. A copy of this plan was
forwarded, it appears, by
Mr McTavish to the Colonial Secretary on
7th Janry last. It was, therefore, in
Governor Douglas' hands soon
after he wrote the despatches which have given rise to this
correspondence.
4. It is to be gathered from this plan and the correspondence which
accompanies it that exclusive of the Reserves for a Park, School,
Church & Cemetery and Government Buildings, the whole of the Land at
Victoria has been disposed of except
about 110 1/2 Acres. Of this
110 1/2 Acres the Company are to be allowed by the Agreement of
Febry
1862 to select 50 Acres leaving about 60 1/2 Acres to the Crown.
These 60 1/2 Acres comprize 10 "Sections" containing 48.54 Acres and
78 Town Lots containing 12 Acres.
5. The quantity which thus reverts to the Crown is inconsiderable,
and much less than from the Chart before us when the Agreement was
entered into with
Mr Dallas we had expected. Annexed to
Mr Beren's
letter is one from
Mr Dallas repudiating the imputation of having
taken advantage of our unavoidable ignorance for local matters, and
appealing to us
to vouch for the frankness and good faith with which
he acted in the discussions which preceeded that Agreement. We have
no disposition to question
Mr Dallas' good faith in the matter, and
it is quite true that he stated at the time his inability to point
out accurately how much of the Land remained unsold. But we
certainly were under the impression, erroneously as now appears, that
a large portion of the land to the South and West of
James' Bay which
was left blank in the Map was still unsold, and that the Crown would
obtain on behalf of the public a
considerable and valuable property.
The misapprehension whatever its origin cannot be remedied, and is
not, I think, of any great importance. The object was not so
much to acquire for the Crown the largest quantity of valuable land,
as to put an end to the questionable tenure of the Company which was
calculated to impede the progress of the Settlement and lead to
further disputes. Had the former been the object the
Duke
of Newcastle would no doubt have required an exact statement of the
Land to be surrendered before he sanctioned the completion of the
Agreement. But for the latter object no such precision
was required.
It seems hardly necessary under these circumstances to pursue this
portion of the subject further.
6. But another question has arisen upon the Agreement. It was
provided that a Lot should be reserved for the office of the Harbor
Master "at the foot of Fort Street," measuring about 50 feet in
width.
Mr Berens alleges that this was a mere verbal error on the
part of
Mr Dallas, and that the spot should have been described as
at the foot of "Broughton Street" instead of Fort Street. Upon this
we can form no opinion, Broughton Street not being marked in the
Chart in our
possession. But as it is alleged that the Land at the
foot of Fort Street is covered with buildings there could be no
objection to accepting in lieu of it land at the foot of Broughton
Street, provided the latter is equally well situated for the office
of the Harbour Master. This, however, is a point on which the
Duke
of Newcastle will probably not adopt any final decision without
previously consulting
Governor Douglas.
7. It may perhaps be expected that before any instructions from this
side can reach
Governor Douglas a report founded on
Mr McTavish's
letter to him of
7th Janry may be received at the Colonial Office.
Not arrived at this date.
Under these circumstances His Grace may think it best to postpone
issuing any such instructions till that report has been considered.
It does not appear to me that there ought to be any great difficulty
in bringing the matter to a conclusion, if only it is steadily borne
in mind tht the object is not solely or principally a pecuniary gain
to the Crown, but a final & satisfactory settlement of all questions
between the Crown and the Company. If there is a disposition to
raise controversies there can of course be no want of opportunities
in transactions extending over so many
years and conducted with the
natural laxity of a Company which considered that it was dealing with
its own property only. But if both sides will be satisfied to
conduct the matter with a single reference to the main object in
view, there ought not to be any differences of opinion which should
seriously interfere with its settlement. If any instructions are to
be sent at once to
Governor Douglas I would submit that they should
impress upon him the importance of not raising unnecessary or
unimportant controversies with the Company's Officers, but of
conducting the correspondence in a liberal and conciliatory spirit.
And
he should I think be reminded of the expediency with a view to
the progress of the Colony of bringing the question to an early
settlement. The question in respect to the Harbour Masters Office
should be dealt with in the same spirit—not of course sacrificing
the interests of the public to the convenience of the Company—but
not on the other hand taking advantage of what is said to have been
an error on the part of
Mr Dallas to expose the Company to
unnecessary expense or embarrassment.
I have the honor to be
Sir
Your Obedient
Humble Servant
T.W.C. Murdoch
Minutes by CO staff
See
Mr Jadis's memo annexed, with Minute upon it.
Mr Elliot
Mr Murdoch reports that it appears from the Plan and Papers attached
to the Hudsons Bay Company's letter 2732, that, exclusive of certain
Reserves, the whole of the land in the Town of
Victoria has been
disposed of, except about 110 1/2 Acres, of which the Company are
entitled to select 50 acres, leaving about 60 for the Crown.
The L and E Commissrs: therefore have up to this time been under a
misapprehension in supposing that a considerable & valuable property
would revert to the Crown. Such however being the fact,
Mr Murdoch
suggests 1
st that
Governor Douglas's report on
Mr McTavish's letter
(see enclosure in 2732) should be waited for—& 2
nd (if instructions
are at once to be sent out) that the importance of not raising
unnecessary controversies with the Comp
y should be impressed upon
the
Govr. There is a further question as to the site reserved for a
Harbor Masters Office which
Mr Murdoch recommends should be treated
in a similar spirit.
The two despatches remaining unanswered are 1011 and 1012.
Wait until next Mail from
Vancouver to see if it brings a Report from
Govr Douglas on
Mr McTavish's letter; but if it does not, answer
the Governor's two despatches by instructing to the effect
recommended by
Mr Murdoch?
People in this document
Berens, Henry Hulse
Blackwood, Arthur Johnstone
Dallas, Alexander Grant
Douglas, Sir James
Elliot, Thomas Frederick
Jadis, Vane
MacTavish, Dugald
Murdoch, Thomas William Clinton
Pelham-Clinton, 5th Duke of Newcastle Henry Pelham Fiennes
Rogers, Baron Blachford Frederic
Places in this document
James Bay
Vancouver Island
Victoria