Murdoch to Rogers (Permanent Under-Secretary)
               
            
            
               
               
                     Emigration Board
                     
                  
               31st October 1865
               
               Sir
                
            
            
            
            
               2.  The circumstances connected with the sale of this Lot to 
Mr
                  Lowenburg [Lowenberg]
               have been so repeatedly stated, and are so well known at
               the Colonial Office, that

 it is unnecessary to restate them on the
               present occasion.  In 
March 1864 the 
Duke of Newcastle, (on the
               ground that the sale to 
Mr Lowenburg was covered by the Indenture of
               
Febry 1862) directed the Governor to admit 
Mr Lowenburg to
               possession of the Land.  Against that instruction the Governor
               remonstrated on the ground
               
               
               1
st That the Lot in question had formed part of a Government Reserve
               set apart by the Hudsons Bay Company several years before the sale to
               
Mr Lowenburg and that consequently they had no legal authority to
               sell it.
               
               2
nd That 
Mr Lowenburg was aware

 at the time of the purchase that
               the sale was invalid, as was proved by his requiring, and the Company
               giving, an exceptional guarantee of Title in the conveyance of the
               Land to him, and
               
               3rd That the abstraction of the Lot rendered the Government Reserve
               comparatively valueless.
               
               
            
            
               3.  The documents enclosed in 
Sir E. Heads letter are intended to
               combat these objections.
               
               4.  In respect to the first it was stated by 
Mr Pemberton, the
               Surveyor General of 
Vancouvers Island, that he surveyed the
               Government Reserve in question in 
1854, & reported it to the
               Secretary of the Hudsons Bay

 Company as then containing 10
               Acres—that he again surveyed it "finally" in 
1858, when in
               consequence of a portion of the original Reserve having been sold in
               error the lines were "readjusted"—and that it then also contained 10
               Acres—that Lot Z was sold to 
Mr Lowenburg in the spring of 
1861 and
               that if that Lot be subtracted from the Reserve its original area
               would be pro tanto reduced.  In his evidence also before a Committee
               of the Assembly appointed to enquire into the Hudsons Bay Company's
               claims 
Mr Pemberton stated that to the best of his belief Lot Z had
               formed part of the

 original Reserve of 10 Acres.
               
               5.  In answer to this the Company's Agent, 
Mr Tolmie, transmits a
               Declaration from 
Mr Tiedman [Tiedeman]
               an Assistant in the Surveyor General's
               Office (who he says from 
June 1858 to March 1861, performed the
               principal surveying and Map making in the Land Office) to the effect
               that the Town Maps of 
1855, on which the Reserve was originally
               marked off, were not official and were not usually adhered to—that
               in 
1859 when he (
Mr Tiedman) was engaged in making an Official Map of
               the Town, since known as "the Official Map of 
1858", it was
               discovered that

 a portion of the West Side of the original Reserve
               had been surveyed into Town Lots and sold, and that the Colonial
               Surveyor 
Mr Pemberton desired him to
               "make up the deficiency of the area by adding to the southern side the
               portion of Land marked Z which at that time formed part of the
               Companys hay fields"—that 
Mr Dallas seeing this in progress pointed
               out that the Land which he was taking in was not under control of the
               Land Office Authorities—but that he was nevertheless ordered by the
               Colonial Surveyor to mark the ground as a Government

 Reserve.
               Tracings are also sent of the Maps of 
1855 and 
1858 to show from
               their inconsistencies that no reliance is to be placed on the
               former—and it is argued that before 
1858 there were in fact no
               boundary marks on the ground.  A further tracing is also sent showing
               the Reserve as originally marked on the Map of 
1855 as subsequently
               "readjusted" on the Map of 
1858—and as proposed to be surrendered by
               the Company in 
1863.
               
               6.  Considering how much must depend on a matter of this nature on
               facts that can be ascertained only by inspection of the premises, it

               would be useless to attempt from the inspection of tracings such as
               are now sent home, to reconcile the differences which those on the
               spot appear unable to adjust.  I will only point out therefore that
               the present declaration of 
Mr Tiedeman is in direct contradiction to
               the statement of 
Mr Pemberton enclosed in the Governor's despatch of
               
2nd Febry last, and to his evidence before the Committee of the
               Assembly—and that the tracing N
o 5 which professes to give the
               boundary of the Reserve as originally traced and as afterwards
               readjusted, would show

 that at all events a large portion of Lot Z
               was included in the Reserve as marked off in 
1855—and the whole of
               it in 
1858.
               
               7.  In regard to the alleged exceptional guarantee of Title to 
Mr
                  Lowenburg the Agent encloses copies of two Agreements with 
Mr
                  Lowenburg for the sale of the Land in question.  These Agreements
               only undertake that on the completion of payment the Company will
               issue to 
Mr Lowenburg  "a good and sufficient deed in the usual
               form."  I presume, although it is not so stated, that pending the
               discussion on the

 subject no deed has actually been issued—but there
               is clearly no stipulation for an exceptional guarantee in the
               Agreement with 
Mr Lowenburg.
               
               8.  Thirdly—As to the importance of the Lot to the Reserve both the
               Companys Agent and 
Mr Lowenburg dispute the Governors opinion.  They
               allege that the boundary of 
Governor Douglas' property, on which
               building leases have been granted & houses commenced, is much nearer
               the Government buildings than the boundary of Lot Z—that there is

               ample room on the Reserve for additional buildings, and that while
               the Reserve is already accessible by two streets, a third, separating
               the Buildings from Lot Z, might be easily made—for which 
Mr
                  Lowenburg expresses himself willing to contribute one third of the
               Land.  Upon this point I do not feel competent to offer an opinion.
               The arguments of the Companys Agent and 
Mr Lowenburg appear
               reasonable enough, but whether they are a sufficient answer to the
               Governor's objection it is for him to decide.
               
               9.  In conclusion if, as I

 understand, the Law Officers have
               expressed an opinion that the grant to 
Mr Lowenburg cannot be
               successfully impeached, there is not sufficient in these papers to
               lead to a modification of that opinion.  The only important fact is
               the production of a tracing showing that Lot Z, was included in the
               Government Reserve in the Map known as "the Official Map of 
1858."
               But of that 
Mr Tiedeman has given an explanation, and the fact, even
               if not explained, would not, I apprehend, have been

 sufficient to
               alter the view taken of the case by the Law Officers of the Crown.
               
Mr Lowenburg in his letter to the Company's Agent offers (with the
               consent of his Tenant) to sell the Lot to the Crown for $9500
               (£1979.3.4).  As he paid the Hudsons Bay Company for it in 
1861 only
               $1285 (£267.14.2) it is scarcely likely that the Government and
               Legislature of 
Vancouvers Island would be prepared to act on this
               proposal.
               
               10.  Upon the whole it appears to me that the present papers

               contribute nothing towards the solution of the difficulty that has
               arisen on this subject.
               
               I have the honor to be
               Sir
               Your obedient
               Humble Servant
               
T.W.C. Murdoch
               
               
               Minutes by CO staff
               
                
                  
                  
                     Mr Elliot
                     The Law Officers opinion on this case was communicated to the 
Govr
                     in a Desp: of 
14 of Aug/65 & he was informed that 
Mr Cardwell was
                     "unable to authorize the 
Govr to treat the grant to 
Mr Lowenburg as
                     invalid, or to take any steps for setting it aside."
                     
 
                  
                  
                   
                  
                  Sir F. Rogers
                     This report supplies further reasons for adhering to the decision
                     which has already been sent to the Governor upon receiving the report
                     of the Crown Lawyers.  Nothing more therefore appears to be necessary
                     unless you should be aware of any ground for desiring to repeat the
                     instructions or to render them more peremptory.
                     
 
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  
                     Add that any proposal for selling the Land to the 
Govt must be made

                     to the Local 
Govt on whom it will depend to submit any proposal of
                     the kind to the Local Legislature.
                     
 
               
               
                  
                  
                     The land it appears has been let for 90$ a month [marginal note:
                     = 226£ per ann] reduced for the present to 65$ with a right in the tenant
                     to buy the reversion
                     for £2100.  
Lowenberg offers (as I understand) to sell his
                     reversion to the Crown for £1900.  But this independently of the
                     question of [amear?]
                     
                     
wd be of little use unless it was clear that the
                     tenant 
wd part with at least his right of purchase.
                     
 
                
            
            
               Other documents included in the file
               
                
                  
                  
                     Elliot to 
Sir Edmund Head, Hudson's Bay Company, 
22 November
                        1865, advising that the Governor had been told that he could not
                     invalidate or set aside the sale of land to 
Lowenberg.
                     
 
                   
                  
                  
                     Rogers to Emigration Commissioners, 
23 November 1865, forwarding
                     copy of the letter as noted above.
                     
 
                   
            
            
               
                  People in this document
                  
                        Cardwell, Edward
                  
                        Dallas,  Alexander Grant
                  
                        Douglas, Sir James
                  
                        Elliot, Thomas Frederick
                  
                        Head, Sir Edmund Walker
                  Jadis, Vane
                  
                        Lowenberg, Leopold
                  Murdoch, Thomas William Clinton
                  Pelham-Clinton, 5th Duke of Newcastle Henry Pelham Fiennes
                  Pemberton, Joseph Despard
                  Rogers, Baron Blachford Frederic
                  
                        Tiedemann, H.
                  
                        Tolmie,  William Fraser
                        
                
               
                  Places in this document
                  Vancouver Island
                  Victoria