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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Despatch to London. 
                Minutes (8), Other documents (3), Marginalia (4).</p>

<p><persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName> agrees with a plan to grant a remission system in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> <q>for the purpose of adding a respectable British element to the population.</q> He agrees that cheap land for retired British military men would help encourage <q>sentiments of attachment and loyalty to the Crown.</q></p>

<p><persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName> also advises that appointments for an attorney general, a colonial secretary, a treasurer and an accountant be made. </p>

<p>The minutes agree that the remission question should be submitted to the land and emigration board and then debate finances to support <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>’s personnel request. </p>

<p>Enclosed is <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName> to the Emigration Commissioners forwarding extract of the despatch for observations; <persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Carnarvon</persName> to <persName ref="prs:cairns_hm">Cairns</persName> requesting that he suggest a suitable candidate for attorney general; and a draft reply from <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Lytton</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName> regarding the remission question.</p>

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No. 25
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<opener><ref type="co_ref">544, CO 60/1, p. 379; received 15 January 1859</ref>
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<placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName>, <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName>
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<date when="1858-11-08">8 November 1858</date>
<salute>Sir,</salute>
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<p>
In reply to your Despatch N<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> 14 of the 2<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">nd</hi> of September 
<ref target="#marg1">*</ref>
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transmitting copy of a letter which you addressed to <persName ref="prs:moody_rc">Colonel Moody</persName> on the
subject of granting land, on certain conditions to the Non Commissioned
Officers and<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">men</fw><pb facs="co_60_01/co_60_01_00379v.jpg"/> men of the Royal Engineers who are to be employed in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British 
Columbia</placeName>, and instructing me to report to you my opinion whether it would
be desirable to grant
remissions
<note xml:id="B02502" n="B5802502"> <hi rend="citation">1, to grant remissions</hi>
Remissions to officers and Royal Engineers. Brief history of practice??
</note>
on the purchase of land—to retired Officers of the Army and Navy, as was
formerly the custom in many of the British Colonies—I have the honor to
state, that without having had opportunities of acquiring information on
the subject of your Despatch, I am strongly biased in favor of extending
the system of locating retired Officers of the Army and Navy in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British 
Columbia</placeName>, and of making grants to the men of the Royal<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Engineers</fw><pb facs="co_60_01/co_60_01_00380r.jpg"/> Engineers, of
small portions of agricultural land, on condition of residence and
military service within the Colony, if called upon.
</p>
<p>
2. I think it especially desirable to introduce the remission
system into <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>, for the purpose of adding a respectable
British element to the population, and thereby infusing and encouraging
sentiments of attachment and loyalty to the Crown. I think the
advantages greatly outweigh any inconvenience that may in future arise to
the Colony from the introduction of the system, seeing as suggested in
your Despatch, that the privilege of granting remissions on the purchase
of land to<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">retired</fw><pb facs="co_60_01/co_60_01_00380v.jpg"/> retired officers, might for a time be secured to Military
settlers, even should the Crown lands be hereafter made over to the
Colony.
</p>
<p>
3. I now submit a list of the officers for civil situations
immediately required in the New Colony—feeling assured however, that
circumstances will soon render it necessary to allow a complete civil
staff.
</p>
<p>
4. <persName ref="prs:begbie_mb">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Begbie</persName> will as you have so kindly arranged lend his
general aid for the compilation of the necessary laws and other legal
business, properly coming within the range of duties discharged by the
Attorney General, but as he cannot engage in conducting<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">suits</fw><pb facs="co_60_01/co_60_01_00381r.jpg"/> suits on the part
of the Crown; it is obvious that the appointment of a Law Officer for the
Crown is immediately required. I would thus suggest the following
appointments
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An Attorney General
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A Colonial Secretary
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A "
Treasurer
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The pay of those officers must necessarily be regulated by the expense of
living in the Colony. A gentleman may live in England on an income of
£1000 a year, with far more comfort than an income of £1800 would command
in this Country.
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<p>
5. As the Attorney General and Colonial Secretary will
hold offices which should be<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">filled</fw><pb facs="co_60_01/co_60_01_00381v.jpg"/> filled by gentlemen of the best
education and ability, I think that such men may not be disposed
to accept of a less valuable appointment and perhaps the
Treasurer,
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who will have to find heavy securities, may be included in the
same category.
</p>
<p>
6. The pay of the Accountant may be regulated by the pay
allowed to the higher appointments, and probably about
£700 a year, may be considered a fair compensation for that official.
</p>
<p>
7. I will take the liberty of addressing you further
on the wants of the Colony as they occur.
</p>
<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">The</fw>
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<p>
8. The want of efficient assistance, the multiplicity of the duties
devolving on me, and the journeys I have been compelled to make into the
gold regions—for the enforcement of law and order—must plead my excuse
for not addressing you more frequently on the affairs of the Colony,
though the reports of my two journeys to <placeName ref="plc:fraser_river">Fraser's River</placeName>, embody almost
the whole amount of reliable information that can yet be given in respect
to the value and extent of the gold fields.
</p>
<p>
I will however hereafter prepare a brief<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">report</fw><pb facs="co_60_01/co_60_01_00382v.jpg"/> report on that subject by
every mail.
</p>
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I have etc.
<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:douglas_j">James Douglas</persName>
<lb/>
Governor
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<ab><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Merivale</persName><lb/>
I presume that so much of this Desp: as relates to the remission on the
price of land purchased by Military &amp; Naval Settlers should be referred
to the Emigration Commissrs? In the latter portion of the Desp: the
<choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice> suggests two or three new appointments.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>
<date when="1859-01-17">
17 Jan
</date>
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<ab><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Merivale</persName><lb/>
I think that you have overlooked this desp. but before
passing it on to <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir E. Lytton</persName> I s<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi> be glad to have your opinion.
</ab>
<p>
1. On the remission system—of <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">h</hi></abbr><expan>which</expan></choice> the <orgName ref="org:colonial_office">Colonial Office</orgName>
has had experience.
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<p>
2. The propriety of affording <persName ref="prs:douglas_j"><choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice> Douglas</persName> some additional
assistance for the discharge of his duties. I am, as I think you know,
persuaded of the necessity of giving this assistance so far as he is
<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">personally</hi> concerned but this desp. raises the important question of
a large accession to the civil <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> of the Colony.
</p>
<p>
3. We cannot obtain good men; unless we give them sufficient
salaries: but our scale of salary has been I think so low as yet (with
perhaps the exception of <persName ref="prs:moody_rc">Col. Moody</persName>) that large salaries to new officials
will disturb the existing proportions &amp; involve a remodelling of the
whole system. How is this to be dealt with?
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:carnarvon">C</persName>
<date when="1859-01-18">
Jany 18
</date>
</signed>
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<ab><persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Lord Carnarvon</persName><lb/>
1. The application of the remission system for officers &amp; location
system for men form a question on which the L<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi> &amp; Em. board are
peculiarly qualified to advise. As far as my own experience goes, I
agree with the Governor that the remission system is on the whole
desirable. The <hi style="text-decoration: underline;">location</hi> of men on small lots is much more
doubtful in my opinion. Old soldiers make very bad and very grumbling
colonists. But there is no doubt that sappers &amp; miners are better
qualified for this purpose than other soldiers, &amp; the advantages of the
scheme may counterbalance the costs.
</ab>
<p>
2. As to civil assistance, I think the Governor
peculiarly &amp; urgently requires the help of a private <choice><abbr>Se<choice><abbr>c<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi></abbr><expan>company</expan></choice></abbr><expan>Secretary</expan></choice>
with a salary of, say £300 per annum.
</p>
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<p>
2. An Attorney General ought in my opinion to be content
with £400 or 500 per annum <hi style="text-decoration: underline;">and practice</hi>. I know the
objections to the latter: but it is a choice of evils.
</p>
<p>
3. I think one man should combine the functions of
Colonial Secretary, and of what the Governor calls accountant,
by which I suppose he mean[s] an auditor. Salary about 800 per annum.
</p>
<p>
But I do not see any way to appointing these officers without
securing them salary for one or two years on the Parl<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi> estimates.
It seems to me quite uncertain what revenue <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> may afford.
</p>
<p>
If we are resolved on the cheap system, then there is nothing for it
but to do what, I apprehend, the Americans would do: tell the Governor
that he may have the assistance of civil officers, if he can find them
and pay them.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">HM</persName>
<date when="1859-01-20">
Jan 20
</date>
</signed>
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<ab><persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir Edward Lytton</persName><lb/>
You will best know what can be done with regard to this<pb facs="co_60_01/co_60_01_00384v.jpg"/> last point. If
it be possible to secure part at least of the Salary of the Colonial Sec.
and the Attorney <choice><abbr>Gen<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">l</hi></abbr><expan>General</expan></choice> on the parliamentary vote it is undoubtedly
advisable in as much as the efficient administration of these
offices—but under present circumstances particularly that of Col.
<choice><abbr>Se<choice><abbr>c<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi></abbr><expan>company</expan></choice></abbr><expan>Secretary</expan></choice>—is of the deepest importance to the Colony and may save us many
future difficulties. Cheap functionaries, like most other cheap
articles, entail so many indirect expenses that in the long run they
become very costly.
</ab>
<p>
As regards the private <choice><abbr>Se<choice><abbr>c<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi></abbr><expan>company</expan></choice></abbr><expan>Secretary</expan></choice>—unless we can send out
<persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName> some efficient man, and no such person is likely to
go only on the trust of Colonial payment—it <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> I think
be right to authorise him to obtain the best assistant he
can on the spot at a salary not exceeding £300 but to be
defrayed from local revenues. This I think due to the <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice>;
and at the same time is good policy for the peace &amp; prosperity
of the Colony clearly depend upon his personal life and I do not
believe
<note xml:id="B02506" n="B5802506"> <hi rend="citation">minutes,</hi> I do not believe
<persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName>'s minute ends abruptly at this point. Obviously a page (or
more) has been lost or misfiled. Part of <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Lytton</persName>'s minute that follows
is also missing.
</note>
</p>
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</signed>
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<ab>
[First part of this minute missing] must also consider that all
charges for roads, public works &amp; build<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">gs</hi> must be found out of Col.
funds, &amp; that all which I do not authorize as charged for in estimates he
must provide for or do without till he gets a revenue. <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> M</persName>. would
sneer less at the economical system if he had to fight Estimates thru'
the H of C. &amp; Estimates which as yet have had no parl<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi> sanction.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">EBL</persName>
<date when="1859-01-22">
Jan 22 1859
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<ab><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName> to Emigration Commissioners, <date when="1859-02-14">14 February 1859</date>,
forwarding extract of the despatch for observations.
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<ab><persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Carnarvon</persName> to <persName ref="prs:cairns_hm">Sir Hugh Cairns</persName>, <date when="1859-02-15">15 February 1859</date>, requesting
that he suggest a suitable candidate for attorney general.
</ab>
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<div type="minutes">
<div type="minute_entry">
<ab><hi style="text-decoration: underline;"><persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir E. Lytton</persName></hi><lb/>
I am informed that you have settled with <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName> to apply to
Parl<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi> for a vote for certain public Officers of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName>,
amongst whom, I presume, will be the Attorney General.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
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<ab>
I minuted on a desp. from B.C. several days
ago,
<note xml:id="B02507" n="B5802507"> <hi rend="citation">also several days ago</hi> = BC vote in Parl?
See <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName>'s minute in this file above, dated <date when="1859-01-20">20 January</date>.
Check Parliamentary vote for BC above??
</note>
that such an appointment seemed required.
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Draft reply, <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Lytton</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, No. 34, <date when="1859-03-19">19 March 1859</date>.
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Lay before Parl<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi>.
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