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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Correspondence (private letter). 
                Minutes (5), Other documents (1).</p>

<p><persName ref="prs:hamber_fm">Hamber</persName> outlines a proposed line for steam communication between <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> and the <placeName ref="plc:fraser_river">Fraser River</placeName> gold fields. </p>

<p>The minutes are unsure how a government department can help with a purely commercial enterprise.</p>

<p>Enclosed is a draft from <persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Carnarvon</persName> to <persName ref="prs:hamber_fm">Hamber</persName> declining an interview as the project <q>is a commercial undertaking which must depend on private enterprize [sic], and it would be beyond the province of any Public Department to interfere.</q></p>

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20 Kings Arms Yard
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London E.C.
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<persName ref="prs:hamber_fm">Hamber</persName> to <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Lytton</persName>
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">10582, CO 60/3, p. 176; registered 16 October</ref>
<address><addrLine>
20 Kings Arms Yard
</addrLine>
<addrLine>
<placeName ref="plc:london">London</placeName> E.C.
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1858-10-14">Oct<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> 14 1858</date>
<name type="addressee">To the Right Honorable
<persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir Edward Bulwer Lytton</persName> Bart
Her Majestys Secretary of State
for the Colonies &amp;c &amp;c</name>
<lb/><lb/>
Sir,
</opener> 
<p>
A Company has been formed for the purpose of establishing Steam
Communication between <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName> or the <placeName ref="plc:esquimalt_harbour">Harbor of Esquimalt</placeName>, in
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName> and the <placeName ref="plc:fraser_river">Fraser River</placeName>.
</p>
<p>
The route proposed will be from <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName> and other ports in
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName>, to <placeName ref="plc:new_westminster">Albert City</placeName> at the mouth of the <placeName ref="plc:fraser_river">Fraser
River</placeName>, <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>, thence to <placeName ref="plc:langley">Fort Langley</placeName> and onwards to the
Falls at <placeName ref="plc:yale">Fort Yale</placeName> on the same river and to such other places as
may hereafter be agreed upon.
</p>
<p>
When the River Traffic has been fully established it is intended to
organise Mule Trains for continuing the passengers and goods
traffic from the Company's boats to the chief Mining Districts.
</p>
<p>
Previous to an immediate application to the Public it is deemed
advisable to consult the wishes of the Government and to ascertain
to what extent the<pb facs="co_60_03/co_60_03_00176v.jpg"/> Company may be able to calculate upon its
countenance and support.
</p>
<p>
The establishment of this Company was suggested by persons on the
spot, well acquainted with the country, before the receipt by the
Government of the despatch of <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Governor Douglas</persName> of the 8<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> of <date when="1858-05">May</date>
last, in which his Excellency states:
<milestone unit="section" rend=".ind on"/>
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<p>
To effect that object it will be requisite to facilitate by every
possible means the transport of passengers and goods to the
farthest navigable point on <placeName ref="plc:fraser_river">Frazer River</placeName>, and the obvious means of
accomplishing that end is to employ light Steamers in plying
between and connecting the port with the falls of <placeName ref="plc:fraser_river">Frazer's River</placeName>,
distant 130 miles, from the discharge of that river into the <placeName ref="plc:strait_of_georgia">Gulf
of Georgia</placeName> those falls being generally believed to be at the
commencement of the remunerative gold diggings and from thence the
Miners would readily make their way on foot, or, after the summer
freshets, by the river, into the interior of the Country.
</p>
<p>
By that means also the whole trade of the gold regions would pass
through <placeName ref="plc:fraser_river">Frazer's River</placeName> and be retained within the British Territory
forming a valuable outlet for British manufactured goods and at
once creating a lucrative trade between the mother country and
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName>.
<milestone unit="section" rend=".ind off"/>
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<p>
Subsequent reliable advices tend to confirm these views and
establish the importance of the gold discovery, and the necessity
for keeping open the navigation of the <placeName ref="plc:fraser_river">Frazer River</placeName>.
</p>
<p>
With this view I am desired also respectfully to request that I may
be favored on behalf of the Company with an appointment of a time
when it will be convenient for you to receive a deputation from
them upon the subject.
</p>
<p>
The names of the Gentlemen forming the deputation will be
previously forwarded in accordance with what I believe is the usual
practice.
</p>
<closer>
I have the honor to remain Sir
<lb/>
Your very obd<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi> Serv<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi>
<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:hamber_fm">Fred: M. Hamber</persName>
<lb/>
<choice><abbr>Se<choice><abbr>c<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi></abbr><expan>company</expan></choice></abbr><expan>Secretary</expan></choice> pro tem
<lb/>
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<ab><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName><lb/>
The writer solicits an interview with <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir Edward Lytton</persName> on the part
of a Deputation.
</ab>
<p>
I do not see what possible "countenance and support" H.M. <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice>
could or ought to give to a purely commercial enterprize: but
having in view the great probable advantage which would flow from
the establishment of a Steam Company to run from <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName>—<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">VanC.
I</placeName><hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi>—to and up the <placeName ref="plc:fraser_river">Frazer's River</placeName> I should be disposed to suggest
to <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir Edward</persName> that it <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> be very proper to inform the Deputation
that tho' this Office cannot give the "countenance" wished for we
will readily show any responsible Member of the C<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> all the
documents we possess from the Governor <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">h</hi></abbr><expan>which</expan></choice> <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> aid them in their
project.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
<date when="1858-10-16">
16 Oct<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
(See Minute annexed.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName> )
</signed>
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<ab>
The whole value of a proposal of this kind depends upon the
question whether the parties are substantial and likely to be well
informed on the prospects of their enterprise, or whether they are
mere adventurers wishing to start a Company for purposes of
speculation. Which may be the case in this instance. I have no
knowledge.
</ab>
<p>
It will be for <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir E.B. Lytton</persName> to decide whether he thinks fit to
grant them an interview. If he does, our letter need say<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">no</fw><pb facs="co_60_03/co_60_03_00178v.jpg"/> no more.
</p>
<p>
If he does not, I do not think that I should expressly refuse
"Countenance", which, if not a very definite is at least not an
immoderate request. What I should say to them would be that the
project which the writer describes is a commercial undertaking
which must depend on private enterprise and in which it would be
beyond the province of any public Department to<pb facs="co_60_03/co_60_03_00179r.jpg"/> interpose, and
therefore that <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir E.B. Lytton</persName> can merely state that if an
efficient and successful line of Steam Communication should be
established between <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName> and the <placeName ref="plc:fraser_river">Frazer River</placeName>, H.M.
<choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> would be very glad of the result.
</p>
<p>
I do not think that it would be advisable to offer to these private
persons an inspection of our reports from the Governor.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1858-10-18">
18 Oct<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab><persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir Edward Lytton</persName><lb/>
Will you give an interview?
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:carnarvon">C</persName>
<date when="1858-10-19">
Oct 19
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
Write as <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> E.</persName> suggests.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">EBL</persName>
<date when="1858-10-19">
Oct 19
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
Draft, <persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Carnarvon</persName> to <persName ref="prs:hamber_fm">Hamber</persName>, <date when="1858-10-28">28 October 1858</date>, declining an interview
as the project "is a commercial undertaking which must depend on
private enterprize, and in which it would be beyond the province of
any Public Department to interfere."
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