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<persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale (Permanent Under-Secretary)</persName>
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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Public Offices document. 
                Minutes (6), Enclosures (untranscribed) (1), Other documents (1).</p>
<p><persName ref="prs:hamilton_ga">Hamilton</persName> discusses the establishment of postal services in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>, and forwards a copy of a proposal <q>made by the North West Navigation and Railway Company of Canada to establish a postal service,</q> then discusses <persName ref="prs:stamp_e">Stamp</persName>'s postal scheme, and that <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> has <q>taken steps for procuring tenders</q> to <q>establish an effective postal Communication with <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>.</q> The extensive minutes discuss the <q>political advantages</q> of a Pacific or overland route, respectively, and conclude that any contract awarded for the former, from <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName> to <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>, should be temporary.</p></abstract><correspDesc>
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<persName ref="prs:hamilton_ga"><surname>Hamilton</surname>, <forename>George</forename> <forename>Alexander</forename></persName>
<address><addrLine>
Treasury Chambers
</addrLine></address>
<date when="1859-05-31"/>
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<head>
<persName ref="prs:hamilton_ga">Hamilton</persName> to <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName> (Permanent Under-Secretary)
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">5533, CO 60/6, p. 159; received 1 June
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
Treasury Chambers
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1859-05-31">31 May 1859</date>
<salute>Sir,</salute>
</opener>
<p>
Adverting to your letter of the <date when="1859-05-14">14<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> Instant</date>, I am
desired by the <orgName ref="org:treasury">Lords Commissoners of Her Majesty's Treasury</orgName>
to transmit, for the information of Secretary <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir E.B. Lytton</persName>,
the enclosed copy of a letter from Mess<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">rs</hi> Benson &amp; Co,
relative to the offer made by the North West Navigation and
Railway Company of Canada to establish a postal service with
<placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>.
</p>
<pb facs="co_60_06/co_60_06_00160v.jpg"/>
<p>
In consequence of that communication a deputation on
behalf of the Company attended at this office, and had an
interview with one of My Lords Secretaries, and it appeared,
from the statements made on that occasion; that it was the
opinion of the Deputation that the contemplated Mail Service
from <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName> to <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>, for which Tenders
are about to be invited, would entirely preclude all hope of
success in Establishing the route through the British North
American <pb facs="co_60_06/co_60_06_00161r.jpg"/>territory, which it is the object of the Company to open.
</p>
<p>
<persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir E.B. Lytton</persName> is aware that it was determined to
invite Tenders for the Service from <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName>, in
consequence of the overtures made by <persName ref="prs:stamp_e">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Stamp</persName> of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British
Columbia</placeName>, whose proposals were submitted to this Board by the
<orgName ref="org:colonial_office">Colonial Office</orgName>, accompanied by strong recommendations in
his favor from the Lieutenant Governor of the Colony.
</p>
<p>
My Lords, under the impression that the course <pb facs="co_60_06/co_60_06_00161v.jpg"/>indicated
by the proposal of <persName ref="prs:stamp_e">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Stamp</persName>, offered the best and earliest
means of Establishing the desired communication—and that the
question involved in the offer of the North Western Navigation
and Railway Company of Canada was one which more immediately
concerned Colonial Interests, and could not be treated as a
mere postal arrangement—thought it desirable to postpone the
consideration of the latter proposal, until they had ascertained
the wishes <pb facs="co_60_06/co_60_06_00162r.jpg"/>and feelings of the Canadian Government in the
matter, and to endeavour, without delay, to establish an
effective postal Communication with <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>.
</p>
<p>
They have accordingly taken steps for procuring tenders
for this purpose.
</p>
<p>
Before, however, My Lords issue final instructions for
this purpose, they would be glad to hear the views which <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir E.B. Lytton</persName>
entertains on the subject: because, although My Lords
cannot but see great difficulties in the <pb facs="co_60_06/co_60_06_00162v.jpg"/>way of assisting, in
the manner asked for, such a scheme as that which this Company
brings forward, yet, looking to it's undoubted importance, to
Imperial not less than Colonial interests, My Lords
would regret extremely to take any step which would have
the effect of putting an end to it, without the most mature
consideration.
</p>
<closer>
I am etc.
<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:hamilton_ga">Geo. A. Hamilton</persName>
<lb/>
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<persName ref="prs:merivale_h">M<hi style="text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Merivale</persName><lb/>
Although it may be thought proper that this Country should
foster and help the new Colony of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> through the early
struggles of its existence I am not entirely convinced that to
subsidize this North West Navigation &amp; Railway Canada Company,
or its rival <persName ref="prs:stamp_e">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Stamp</persName>, for the maintenance of postal
communication between G<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi> Britain &amp; <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> be
the best mode of spending money <pb facs="co_60_06/co_60_06_00163r.jpg"/>upon it. As Lord Colchester
tells us in his Letter of the <date when="1859-03-08">8 March</date>/3308/<date when="1859-03-08">59</date> that the Letters sent
from the U. Kingdom are very few (in 2884 his
Lordship says that on one occasion they amounted to no more
than 56) forbidding therefore any prospect of a revenue
from that source, and as the Governor of the Colony in his
<choice><abbr>desp<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">h</hi></abbr><expan>despatch</expan></choice> of the <date when="1858-11-05">5 Nov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>/58</date>/535 informs us that he has not
much reason to complain of the existing fortnightly mail
communication it does not appear requisite for the Imperial
<choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> to rush hastily into an agreement to subsidize this
Company or any body else. It would doubtless be an immense
gain to this Company to get an annual grant of money from
England to carry its proposed scheme of a post-route to
<placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> viâ the <placeName ref="plc:red_river_settlement">Red River</placeName> and Saskatchewan Country into
effect; and, it <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> be serviceable to Mankind perhaps
that that Country should be easily penetrated &amp; opened up,
for the post might be succeeded by many enterprizing people
desirous of settling in it; but so far as Imperial interests,
or <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> interests are at present concerned I can but
think that they might both well wait some years for a subsidy.
If a war should break out with the U. States interrupting our
maritime communication <pb facs="co_60_06/co_60_06_00163v.jpg"/>with <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.C. Isl<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></placeName> &amp; <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> we have
the consolation of knowing that we can still fall back upon
this overland route—so that in point of fact we are not
absolutely dependent on the <placeName ref="plc:panama">Panama</placeName> route &amp; the American Pacific
Steamers. The immediate ans<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>, however, to this Letter seems
to me to be that <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir E. Lytton</persName> can offer no other observations
in reference to the object of this C<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> than those made by him
on the <date when="1859-03-07">7 of last March</date>, and that he would dissuade <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName>
from returning any decisive reply to the C<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> until it is known
what the <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> of Canada—to whom <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir E.L.</persName> made a reference
on the <date when="1859-04-13">13<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> April</date>—shall say upon the subject; and that,
for the same reason, it would be well to defer taking any more
steps for obtaining tenders for the service viâ <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName>;
for if the report from Canada were favorable to the Saskatchewan
route it might supersede the necessity for forming engagements
by the Pacific route.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
<date when="1859-06-06">
6 June
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<div type="minute_entry">
<ab>
P.S. Perhaps we had better write to <persName ref="prs:head_ew">Sir E. Head</persName> to beg an
early ans<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>.
</ab>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:benson_r">Robert Benson</persName> and Company to Chancellor of <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Exchequer</orgName>,
<date when="1859-05-10">10 May 1859</date>,
requesting an interview to explain the company's proposition to
establish a postal service across British North America.
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Lord Carnarvon</persName><lb/>
<persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Blackwood</persName> is so familiar with this correspondence &amp; so
accurate that I hardly venture to differ from him, but as far
as I collect, we have done nothing but send the correspondence
to <persName ref="prs:head_ew">Sir E. Head</persName> "for information"—and as his Parliament is not
sitting, it is not at all likely that his very cautious
Ministers will undertake any expense for the Saskatchewan
line. It seems to me to be a question for ourselves only,
&amp; is itself a simple one. No one can suppose the Saskatchewan
line can pay, for years to come. The <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName> line may
pay, in a moderate way, very soon &amp; is the most convenient
for the Colony. Is it worth while to subsidize the former as
a political measure? That seems to <pb facs="co_60_06/co_60_06_00164v.jpg"/>me the whole question.
I am not myself much in favor of such subsidies.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">HM</persName>
<date when="1859-06-07">
June 7
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<div type="minute_entry">
<ab>
I think on the whole that the best answer will be that in
the opinion of the Sec. of State a line of communication
across the continent of B.N. America to connect Canada with
<placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> &amp; the Pacific—such as he understands to be proposed
by the N.W. Navigation &amp; R. Co.—<choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice>, if practicable,
be attended with great political advantages &amp; <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> probably
go far to facilitate the erection of colonies, the development
of natural resources &amp; the consolidation of B.N. America as
a part of the Empire. That <pb facs="co_60_06/co_60_06_00165r.jpg"/>the question of subsidy &amp; its
amount depends upon the importance <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">h</hi></abbr><expan>which</expan></choice> politically is
attached to the carrying out of such a scheme. That on the
other hand the establishment of communications by sea with <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">S. Francisco</placeName>, though doubtless valuable to the Colony is far
less important in a political point of view as in all
probability before long the Colony will be in a position to
establish for itself, under the ordinary operations of Trade,
such a Line &amp; to defray the greater part at all events of the
attendant expenses.
</ab>
<p>
That <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir E. Lytton</persName> <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> therefore <pb facs="co_60_06/co_60_06_00165v.jpg"/>recommend to the
Ld<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">s</hi> Comm<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">rs</hi> the consideration whether it will not be
advisable that the contract, if any, which may be concluded
with <persName ref="prs:stamp_e">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Stamp</persName> s<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi> be temporary so that at the period
when the communication across the continent is opened, the
<choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> may be free to subsidize that line exclusively if
such subsidy is decided upon.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:carnarvon">C</persName>
<date when="1859-06-09">
June 9
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab><hi style="text-decoration: underline;"><persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Lord Carnarvon</persName></hi><lb/>
These are drafts on the North West transit. You will be the best
judge whether or not to pass them under existing circumstances.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1859-06-14">
14 June
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
I think that as these are in accordance with my min. of the <date when="1859-06-09">9<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi>
June</date> &amp; as delay is inconvenient to the arrangements on hand at the
Treasury the drafts may be proceeded <pb facs="co_60_06/co_60_06_00168v.jpg"/>with: but the subject will require
an early consideration by the new Sec. of State.
</ab>
<p>
I think however that the desp. to <persName ref="prs:head_ew">Sir E. Head</persName> ought not
to go: as it's effect <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> be to pledge the <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> to
a certain degree.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:carnarvon">C</persName>
<date when="1859-06-15">
June 15
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
Draft, <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName> to <persName ref="prs:hamilton_wab">Hamilton</persName>, <date when="1859-06-16">16 June 1859</date>, advising that <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Lytton</persName>
saw political and developmental advantages in the proposed
overland postal route and would therefore suggest that any contract
awarded for the Pacific route be of a temporary nature.
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