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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Despatch to London. 
                Minutes (4), Enclosures (untranscribed) (5), Other documents (1).</p>

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<head>
No. 89
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">11679, CO 60/8, p. 262; received 18 December
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
<placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName> <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouvers Island</placeName>
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1860-10-26">26 October 1860</date>
<salute>My Lord Duke,</salute>
</opener>
<p>
I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your Grace's
Despatch No 33 of the <date when="1860-06-15">15<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> June</date> forwarding a letter from the
Deputy Governor of the Hudson Bay Co
<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">complaining</fw>
<pb facs="co_60_08/co_60_08_00263v.jpg"/>
complaining of the operation
of the Customs Laws of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> upon the interests of
that Company.
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<p>
2. Your Grace has taken so clear and just a view of the case
that it is scarcely necessary for me to enter into the merits of
the general question, but to prove to your Grace the futility of
the complaint, and to exhibit the general
<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">working</fw>
<pb facs="co_60_08/co_60_08_00264r.jpg"/>
working of the Customs
Laws in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> with regard to the business of the
Hudson Bay Co, I forward herewith a very clear and able Report
from <persName ref="prs:hamley_wo">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Hamley</persName> the Collector of Customs, accompanied by
correspondence from the Officers of the Company at <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName>,
by which it will be seen, that not only has it been the practice
to allow a drawback on the goods sent into the <placeName ref="plc:russian_territory">Russian Territory</placeName>,
but that in a recent
<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">case</fw>
<pb facs="co_60_08/co_60_08_00264v.jpg"/>
case where goods were forwarded by the
Company in transit through <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> to <placeName ref="plc:colville_district">Colville</placeName> in the
American Territory, no duty whatever was either levied or paid.
Although the Directors of the Company in England could not at
the date of their letter be aware of the latter transaction,
yet it appears somewhat
<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">remarkable</fw>
<pb facs="co_60_08/co_60_08_00265r.jpg"/>
remarkable, that the data before them
from which they reviewed the case, should not have supplied so
important an item of information as the former.
</p>
<p>
3. With regard to the alleged "exaction" of Customs duties
at <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName>, your Grace has already pointed out to the Company
that the law is optional on vessels going North of <placeName ref="plc:fraser_river">Frasers
River</placeName>
<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">to</fw>
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to pay duty at <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Fort Victoria</placeName> or <placeName ref="plc:new_westminster">New Westminster</placeName>, and that this
provision must be intended as a convenience rather than a
restriction. As <persName ref="prs:hamley_wo">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Hamley</persName> remarks
<milestone unit="section" rend=".ind on"/>
It was expressly to save the Company's servants the trouble and delay of
coming to <placeName ref="plc:new_westminster">New Westminster</placeName> that permission was given to <fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">them</fw>
<pb facs="co_60_08/co_60_08_00266r.jpg"/>
them to pay
their duties at <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Fort Victoria</placeName> from which Port the Vessel sails.
An objection on their part to this arrangement is simply
absurd, but if from any unaccountable reason they prefer it,
they are at all times at liberty to bring their vessels to
<placeName ref="plc:new_westminster">New Westminster</placeName> for clearance and the payment of duties.
<milestone unit="section" rend=".ind off"/>
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<p>
No overt complaints have ever been made by the Company's
<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Officers</fw>
<pb facs="co_60_08/co_60_08_00266v.jpg"/>
Officers on the spot regarding this convenience, and I need
scarcely say they do not avail themselves of the option of
clearing at <placeName ref="plc:new_westminster">New Westminster</placeName>, although since the removal of
<orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> to that place, the duties in such cases have
been paid to the Collector of Customs at <placeName ref="plc:new_westminster">New Westminster</placeName>—the
<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Vessel</fw>
<pb facs="co_60_08/co_60_08_00267r.jpg"/>
Vessel meanwhile clearing from <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Fort Victoria</placeName> as heretofore.
</p>
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I have etc.
<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:douglas_j">James Douglas</persName>
<lb/>
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<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName><lb/>
I presume that a Copy of this Despatch should be communicated
to the <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudson's Bay Company</orgName> with reference to the letter addressed
to them on the <date when="1860-06-13">13 of June</date>? See drafts attached to 4963.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>
<date when="1860-12-18">
18 Dec<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:fortescue">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Fortescue</persName><lb/>
For your consideration.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1860-12-18">
18/12
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
This <choice><abbr>sh<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>should</expan></choice> go to the H.B.Co. as the result of the reference to the <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice> wh. they were informed in the letter of the <date when="1860-06-13">13<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> June</date> wd. be made.
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<p>
It is a complete answer.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:fortescue">CF</persName>
<date when="1860-12-20">
20
</date>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:berens_hh">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Berens</persName> called upon me a few days ago &amp; renewed this complaint
with other new ones. He is to put them on paper. I hope he will admit that <hi style="text-decoration: underline;">this</hi> complaint at least is fairly answered.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:newcastle">N</persName>
<date when="1860-12-24">
24
</date>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:hamley_wo">Wymond Hamley</persName>, Collector of Customs, to Colonial
Secretary, <date when="1860-08-28">28 August 1860</date>, responding to the complaint of the <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudson's Bay Company</orgName> against customs procedures in the colony.
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:tolmie_wf">W.F. Tolmie</persName>, <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudson's Bay Company</orgName>, to <persName ref="prs:hamley_wo">Hamley</persName>, <date when="1860-07-13">13 July 1860</date>,
submitting an invoice of goods enroute to <placeName ref="plc:washington_territory">Washington Territory</placeName> and therefore not liable for customs duties in the colony.
</ab>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:mactavish_d">Dugald Mactavish</persName>, <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudson's Bay Company</orgName>, to <persName ref="prs:hamley_wo">Hamley</persName>, <date when="1860-08-10">10 August
1860</date>, submitting an invoice for seventeen packages of goods bound
for <placeName ref="plc:washington_territory">Washington Territory</placeName>.
</ab>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:mactavish_d">Mactavish</persName> to <persName ref="prs:hamley_wo">Hamley</persName>, <date when="1860-08-14">14 August 1860</date>, asking that the appropriate paper work be completed in relation to the shipment of two cases of guns enroute to <placeName ref="plc:fort_colvile">Fort Colville</placeName> in <placeName ref="plc:washington_territory">Washington Territory</placeName>.
</ab>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:mactavish_d">Mactavish</persName> to <persName ref="prs:hamley_wo">Hamley</persName>, <date when="1860-08-22">22 August 1860</date>, advising of a drawback of some $400 on goods shipped to <placeName ref="plc:lax_kwalaams">Fort Simpson</placeName>.

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Draft, <orgName ref="org:colonial_office">Colonial Office</orgName> to <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudson's Bay Company</orgName>, <date when="1860-12-31">31 December 1860</date>, forwarding copy of <persName ref="prs:hamley_wo">Hamley</persName>'s report.
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