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<persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers (Permanent Under-Secretary)</persName>
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<publicationStmt><p>Published by Jim Hendrickson and the University of Victoria.</p>
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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Public Offices document. 
                Minutes (2), Other documents (1).</p>

<p>
<persName ref="prs:julyan_pg">Julyan</persName> writes <persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers</persName> to inform <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName> that the <q>Agents General for Crown
Colonies,</q> having processed the necessary financial instruments for <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>'s £50,000 loan, <q>feel that
they would be wanting in their duty to the Colony if they were to omit to point out what they believe would be found a much more economical mode of raising money upon
such securities in future.</q>
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<persName ref="prs:julyan_pg"><surname>Julyan</surname>, <forename>Penrose</forename> <forename>Goodchild</forename></persName>
<address><addrLine>
Office of The Agents-General for Crown Colonies
</addrLine><addrLine>
6, Adelphi Terrace
</addrLine><addrLine>
London, W.C.
</addrLine></address>
<date when="1862-12-20"/>
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<persName ref="prs:rogers_f"><surname>Rogers</surname>,  <forename>Frederic</forename></persName>
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<head>
<persName ref="prs:julyan_pg">Julyan</persName> to <persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers</persName> (Permanent Under-Secretary)
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">12290, CO 60/14, p. 39; received 22 December
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
Office of The Agents-General for Crown Colonies
</addrLine>
<addrLine>
6, Adelphi Terrace
</addrLine>
<addrLine>
<placeName ref="plc:london">London</placeName>, W.C.
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1862-12-20">20 December 1862</date>
</opener>
<p>
I have the honor to report for the information of the <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Duke
of Newcastle</persName> that in compliance with the instructions contained
in your letter of the <date when="1862-11-13">13<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> November last</date> <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>
Government 6 p Cent Debentures to the extent of £50,000 prepared
according to a form of which a copy is enclosed, have been signed
by the Agents General for Crown Colonies and were delivered by them
to the <orgName ref="org:bank_bc">Bank of British Columbia</orgName> on the <date when="1862-12-12">12<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> instant</date>.
</p>
<p>
The Agents General feel that they would be wanting in their
duty to the Colony if they were to omit to point out what they
believe would be found a much more economical<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">mode</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00040v.jpg"/> mode of raising money
upon such securities in future.
</p>
<p>
In this instance the Debentures were disposed of, so far as
can be gathered from the papers before me, at par, and paid for
by the purchasers in drafts on <placeName ref="plc:london">London</placeName> at 30 and 60 days sight—i.e.
Drafts for £50,000, were handed over to the Government in <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName>,
in exchange for Debentures for a like sum handed over to the
Bank in <placeName ref="plc:london">London</placeName>—The Government paying 12 p Cent for the use of such
Drafts, from the date of their issue to the date on which the
Debentures were delivered over to the Bank in <placeName ref="plc:london">London</placeName>.
</p>
<p>
It does not appear what was, in any instance, realized in cash
for these drafts, but it is to be presumed that the Government sold
them on the spot to raise the money which they wanted, and which the
Bank was evidently not in a<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">position</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00041r.jpg"/> position to give them. Whatever the
amount might have been however there can be no doubt that Bills
drawn by the Governor on the Agents General would have commanded
higher rates in the Colony than Bank Bills, and as it is no less
evident that a 6 p Cent Loan can always be negotiated on better terms
in <placeName ref="plc:london">London</placeName> than in a Colony where money is worth at least 12 p Cent;
the best mode of conducting the operations would have been for the
Governor to have directed the Agents General to sell the Debentures
by public tender here, and in order to place himself immediately
in funds to meet pressing emergencies he might have drawn against
the proceeds of such sale instead of leaving it to an intermediate
agency to do so. In this manner some 4 or 5 p Cent more would
probably have been realized on the sale of the<pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00041v.jpg"/> Debentures, a half or three quarters per cent more on the sale of the Bills, and the
payment of the 12 p Cent interest would have been altogether
avoided. Reckoning the period for which such interest will be
paid at 3 months, the saving altogether would probably have been
something over £4,000 on the transaction.
</p>
<p>
The Bank attempted to re-sell the Debentures yesterday by
public competition, and received tenders for about £14,000
altogether. The minimum fixed was 103 1/2 from which price
up to 105 1/2 £6000 was allotted. The Balance remains unsold.
This result is not by any means surprising seeing that the British
Columbia Bank is a new institution quite unknown to the general
public. Had these Debentures been offered for sale by the Agents
General I think it highly probable that the whole<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">would</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00042r.jpg"/> would have been
taken up readily at much higher prices, indeed so convinced were
the Directors themselves on this point that their Chairman made
overtures to the Agents General with a view of getting them to
undertake the negotiation, and manifested a disposition to grant
a liberal consideration for their doing so.
</p>
<p>
As however the Debentures had already been sold in the Colony
by the Governor, the Agents General could not possibly re-sell
them here on private account. The circumstance is only mentioned
as showing that the opinion herein expressed in respect of the
superior advantages afforded to the Colonies by placing their
loans on the market<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">through</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00042v.jpg"/> through the Crown Agency, is fully recognized
by the public also.
</p>
<closer>
I have the honor to be,<lb/>
Sir,<lb/>
Your most obedient Servant<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:julyan_pg">Penrose G. Julyan</persName>
<lb/>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Sir F. Rogers</persName><lb/>
Send a copy of this letter to the Governor? The observations
of the Agent accord with the views expressed in the Duke's
Desp: of <date when="1862-11-12">12 Nov</date>.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>
<date when="1862-12-23">
23 Dec
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:newcastle">Duke of Newcastle</persName><lb/>
Send to <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice> and request him to furnish a statement
of the bills viewed from the Bank their amounts &amp; dates—of
the sums realized by the sale of these bills &amp; the parties to
whom they have respectively sold of the dates of the diff<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi>
sales and the market rate of exchange upon <placeName ref="plc:london">London</placeName> at the
respective dates, of the amounts which will be payable by way
of interest on these bills up to the <date when="1862-12-12">12 Dec</date>, upon <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">h</hi></abbr><expan>which</expan></choice>
day the deb<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">res</hi> were issued.
</ab><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00043r.jpg"/>
<p>
As far as I can hear or make out, bills upon <placeName ref="plc:london">London</placeName>
at 30 days sight [anon?]
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must have borne a premium in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName>.
Therefore payment by the Bank of 50,000£ in bills was more
than equivalent to delivery of £50,000 in cash. Therefore the
Bank m<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi> properly charge interest on those bills from the
date of issue.
</p>
<p>
I mention this because it throws light on an arrangement
<choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">h</hi></abbr><expan>which</expan></choice> was to me unaccountable, viz that the Comp<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi> <choice><abbr>sh<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>should</expan></choice> charge
interest from the date of <hi style="text-decoration: underline;">issuing</hi> the bills, not being called
upon to advance a farthing of cash till <hi style="text-decoration: underline;">presentation</hi> of these
bills in <placeName ref="plc:london">London</placeName> 3 or 4 months later.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:rogers_f">FR</persName>
<date when="1862-12-30">
30/12
</date>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:newcastle">N</persName>
<date when="1862-12-31">
31
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
Draft reply, <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, No. 3, <date when="1863-01-05">5 January 1863</date>,
forwarding a copy of <persName ref="prs:julyan_pg">Julyan</persName>'s letter and asking for a response.
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