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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Public Offices document. 
                Minutes (5), Enclosures (untranscribed) (1), Other documents (4), Marginalia (1).</p>

<p>
<persName ref="prs:peel_f">Peel</persName> informs <persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers</persName> that <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> shares <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName>'s concerns with regards to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>'s spending. <persName ref="prs:peel_f">Peel</persName> outlines unauthorized expenditures totalling £26,958.9s10d., <q>exclusive of the claim of £6,900 for the Silver Coins which were sent to <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> in <date when="1860-10">October 1860</date>,</q> and warns that <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName>'s budget for the colony will not have sufficient funds remaining to pay <persName ref="prs:moody_rc">Colonel Moody</persName>'s salary <q>after the <date when="1862-03-31">31 March next</date>.</q> <persName ref="prs:peel_f">Peel</persName> recommends a repayment schedule that <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">Elliot</persName> minutes will <q>reduce the <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">Colony</placeName> to bankruptcy.</q> <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">Elliot</persName> adds that <q>any further proceedings to be taken on the present letter from <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> will require much care and deliberation.</q> <persName ref="prs:fortescue">Fortescue</persName> minutes that <q>whatever we may think of the tone &amp; temper of the Try, they have disclosed to us conduct on the part of the <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice>, most insubordinate and unfair to the Sec. of State.</q>
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<text><body><div type="public_offices">
<head>
<persName ref="prs:peel_f">Peel</persName> to <persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers</persName> (Permanent Under-Secretary)
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">2116, CO 60/14, p. 153; received 27 February
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
Treasury Chambers
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1862-02-27">27 February 1862</date>
</opener>
<p>
With reference to your letter of the <date when="1862-02-21">21<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">st</hi> Inst.</date> I am
directed by the <orgName ref="org:treasury">Lords Commissoners of Her Majesty's Treasury</orgName>
to acquaint you that My Lords concur in the terms of the Despatch
which the <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Duke of Newcastle</persName> proposes to address to the Governor
of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> in reply to his Despatch, No 74, of <date when="1861-11-13">13 November last</date> on the subject of the Estimates of<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Revenue</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00154v.jpg"/> Revenue and Expenditure
of that Colony for the year <date when="1862">1862</date>, conveying to him instructions to
curtail some of the different services proposed in those Estimates,
so as to admit of the payment, during the year <date when="1862">1862</date>, from the Colonial
Revenue, of a moiety of the expense of the Royal Engineers;
</p>
<p>
Their Lordships will not object to that part of the other
Draft Despatch to the Governor which undertakes to discharge out of
Imperial Funds the<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">other</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00155r.jpg"/> other moiety of the cost of maintaining during
the year <date from="1862" to="1863">1862/3</date> the Detachment of Royal Engineers serving in the
Colony, amounting to £11,000, of which the sum of £7200 is to be
provided by a Parliamentary Grant, the remainder, viz £3800, being
already borne on the Army Estimates.
</p>
<p>
My Lords will not object to provision being made, in the Civil
Service Estimates for the same year, for the Salary of the Governor
to the end of that year—the Salary after that<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">date</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00155v.jpg"/> date to be paid from
the Colonial Revenue.
</p>
<p>
With reference, however, to the past expenditure from Imperial
Funds, Their Lordships desire to draw His Grace's attention to the
Returns transmitted in <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Governor Douglas</persName>' Despatch No 56, of <date when="1861-09-16">16 September 1861</date>, enclosed in <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName>'s letter of <date when="1861-11-07">7 November last</date>, of the bills drawn upon the Paymaster General, and of the Expenditure of the sums drawn on account of the Detachment of
Royal Engineers for<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">the</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00156r.jpg"/> the years <date when="1859">1859</date> and <date when="1860">1860</date>.
</p>
<p>
For the service of the year <date when="1859">1859</date> The Governor has drawn Bills
to the extent of £39,320—viz
<milestone unit="section" rend=".in +6 -0"/>
<lb/>
For Colonial Pay £15189. 8.6
<lb/>
other Expenses <hi style="text-decoration: underline;">£24130.11.6</hi>
<lb/>
£39320. 0.0
<milestone unit="section" rend=".in -6 +0"/>
<lb/>
against the sum of £27,000 which was provided in the Parliamentary
Estimates—viz
<milestone unit="section" rend=".in +6 -0"/>
<lb/>
Estimate <date from="1859" to="1860">1859/60</date> For Colonial Pay £11000
<lb/>
D<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> To meet Bills drawn for
<lb/>
current service in <date when="1859">1859</date> £<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">16000</hi>
<lb/>
£27 000
<milestone unit="section" rend=".in -6 +0"/>
<lb/><fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Thus</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00156v.jpg"/>
Thus involving an excess of payments beyond sums voted, for
the service of the year <date when="1859">1859</date> of £12,320—viz
<milestone unit="section" rend=".in +6 -0"/>
<lb/>
Colonial Pay £ 4 189. 8.6
<lb/>
Other Expenses £<hi style="text-decoration: underline;"> 8 130.11.6</hi>
<lb/>
£12,320. 0.0
<milestone unit="section" rend=".in -6 +0"/>
</p>
<p>
For the year <date when="1860">1860</date> the Governor has drawn for £22,856.6.4—viz
<milestone unit="section" rend=".in +6 -0"/>
<lb/>
For Colonial Pay £11,929. 8. 2
<lb/>
<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">Other Expenses £10 926.18. 2</hi>
<lb/>
£22,856. 6. 4
<milestone unit="section" rend=".in -6 +0"/>
<lb/>
against the sum voted for <date from="1860" to="1861">1860/1</date><fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">viz</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00157r.jpg"/> viz £11,000 for Colonial Pay
only—thus involving an excess of payments beyonds the sum voted for
<date from="1860" to="1861">1860/1</date> of £11,856.6.4
<milestone unit="section" rend=".in +6 -0"/>
<lb/>
viz Colonial Pay £ 929. 8. 2
<lb/>
other Expenses £<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">10,926.18. 2</hi>
<lb/>
£11,856. 6. 4
<milestone unit="section" rend=".in -6 +0"/>
</p>
<p>
Payments have also been made in this country in excess of the sums
provided on account of the expenses of the Royal Engineers prior to
their arrival in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>, as well as on account of the Salaries of<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">the</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00157v.jpg"/> the Governor and Commissioner of Duties.
</p>
<p>
I am to enclose a statement which has been prepared in this
Department, showing the particulars of the several payments, and
exhibiting an amount unprovided for, to the extent of
£26,958.9<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">s</hi>10<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi>.
This is exclusive of the claim of £6,900 for the Silver Coins which
were sent to <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> in <date when="1860-10">October 1860</date>, and though the Governor
was told that that claim would<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">be</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00158r.jpg"/> be settled out of the grant, and that
he must instruct his Treasurer to diminish his Drafts accordingly,
he has continued to draw Bills as if no such claim existed.
</p>
<p>
My Lords request that the attention of the Governor may be drawn
to the large amount of expenditure from Imperial Funds on his
Requisitions in excess of the sums provided by Parliament, and that
he may be called upon to furnish the fullest<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">explanations</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00158v.jpg"/> explanations in his power
of his proceedings in the matter.
</p>
<p>
Their Lordships request also that His Grace's attention may be
called to the subject—with a view to some prompt arrangement being
made for the repayment of the whole excess from the Funds of the Colony.
</p>
<p>
My Lords would further observe, with reference to the Governor's
Despatch, No 72, of <date when="1861-11-23">23 November last</date> relating to the above-mentioned<pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00159r.jpg"/>
sum of £6900 supplied in specie in <date when="1860">1860</date>, that he has already
authorized the Treasurer to draw Bills on account of the year
<date from="1861" to="1862">1861/2</date> to the extent of £9000 against the grant of £11000
for the Colonial Pay of the Royal Engineers, and he remarks that,
if the Coin is not to be deducted from the grant, there will remain
a sum of £2000 available before the <date when="1862-03-31">31 March 1862</date> for that service.
</p>
<p>
My Lords apprehend that the Despatch informing him that<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Her</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00159v.jpg"/> Her
Majesty's Government must be repaid the value of that specie
will not arrive in time to prevent the drawing for the sum of £2000.
</p>
<p>
The sum of £6900, for the specie, will be chargeable to the
grant His Grace proposes to limit to £7,200.
<ref target="#marg1">*</ref>
</p>
<p>
According to this arrangement the sum remaining to be drawn
against the grant for <date from="1862" to="1863">1862/3</date> will amount to £300 only;
</p>
<p>
My Lords would further<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">observe</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00160r.jpg"/> observe that the Salary of £1200 a
year, of the Commanding Officer of the Royal Engineers, <persName ref="prs:moody_rc">Colonel Moody</persName>, has been hitherto paid in this country.
</p>
<p>
After the <date when="1863-03-31" cert="high">31 March</date> next there will be no funds, except the sum of £300 above mentioned, to meet the Salary in England and
Their Lordships will, therefore, be unable to direct any further
issues on that account beyond<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">the</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00160v.jpg"/> the <date when="1863-03-31">31 March</date> next.
</p>
<closer>
I am Sir<lb/>
Your obedient Servant<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:peel_f">F. Peel</persName>
<lb/>
</closer>

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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName><lb/>
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>
<date when="1862-02-27">
27 Feby
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<div type="minute_entry">
<ab><hi style="text-decoration: underline;"><persName ref="prs:fortescue">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Fortescue</persName></hi><lb/>
The present letter has arrived this afternoon: the
<placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">Columbia</placeName> Mail goes tomorrow. In the draft despatch which has
already been settled, <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> express their concurrence,
and therefore that despatch at all events can be sent if thought proper.
</ab>
<p>
But you will<pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00161r.jpg"/> find, I suspect, that any further proceedings
to be taken on the present letter from <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> will require
much care and deliberation. What I should have thought expedient
would have been summed up in the old stock phrase of "indemnity
for the past and security for the future". <orgName ref="org:treasury">The Treasury</orgName> however
in this letter want to treat the over-supply of specie as a set-off
against the amount which is about to be voted by Parliament for
the current year, a course which would obviously enough, as the
Treasury themselves point out with some satisfaction, reduce the
Colony to bankruptcy. With all respect, I cannot but think this
more petulant than statesmanlike. In fact, to say the truth,
instead of upholding the cause of regularity, it would be a sort
of fraud upon Parliament, for we should be asking them to vote
money for the pay of the Engineers and of the Governor, and then
applying it to repay old debts. If <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> can really be
supposed to be earnest, and not merely writing in a moment of
heat, the true course would be to ask Parliament to vote a certain
amount for refunding the cost of specie, and to announce<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">at</fw><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00161v.jpg"/> at the
same time that neither the Governor nor the Royal Engineers serving
in the Colony are to have any provision made for their pay. Whether
such a course be possible, it is not for me to judge.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1862-02-27">
27 Feb<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi>
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:newcastle">Duke of Newcastle</persName><lb/>
I have added a P.S. to the draft to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j"><choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice> Douglas</persName>, wh. I
wd. propose, in [tenorun?] and as a preparation for any course wh.
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you may think it right to take. Whatever we may think of the tone &amp; temper of the Try, they have disclosed to us conduct on the part of the <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice>, most insubordinate and unfair to the Sec. of State.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:fortescue">CF</persName>
<date when="1862-02-28">
28
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<div type="minute_entry">
<ab>
I approve of they P.S. to the despatch for tonights Mail.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:newcastle">N</persName>
<date when="1862-02-28">
28
</date>
</signed>
</closer>

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<ab>
Draft, <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">Elliot</persName> to <persName ref="prs:hamilton_ga">Hamilton</persName>, Treasury, <date when="1862-03-22">22 March 1862</date>, concerning the
accounts of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>.
</ab>
</div>
<div type="other_entry"><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00167r.jpg"/>
<ab>
Draft, <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">Elliot</persName> to <persName ref="prs:peel_f">Peel</persName>, <date when="1862-04-22">22 April 1862</date>,
requesting consideration of measures proposed by <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName>
to settle the financial affairs of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>.
</ab>
</div>
<div type="other_entry"><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00172r.jpg"/>
<ab>
Draft reply, <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, No. 123, <date when="1862-05-13">13 May 1862</date>, admonishing <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName> for spending without authorization and outlining <q>the measures which have occurred to me for the settlement of the financial affairs of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>.</q>
</ab>
</div>
<div type="other_entry"><div><pb facs="co_60_14/co_60_14_00178r.jpg"/>
<ab>
Draft, <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">Elliot</persName> to <persName ref="prs:peel_f">Peel</persName>, <date when="1862-06-14">14 June 1862</date>, forwarding two
despatches from <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName> for the governor's guidance.
</ab>
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<ab>
This draft is proposed, as I hear that <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> will like to see our despatches. The recent one from <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Gov Douglas</persName> will, I
think, go better in a separate letter, which I am about to prepare.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1862-06-12">
12 June
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
Statement of accounts for <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>.

</ab>
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<ab>
Not so, I think.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
</signed>
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