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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Despatch to London. 
                Minutes (5), Enclosures (untranscribed) (5), Other documents (1), Marginalia (1).</p>

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<head>
No. 14, Financial
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">4701, CO 60/15, p. 159; received 14 May
</ref>
<date when="1863-03-07">7 March 1863</date>
</opener>
<p>
I have the honour to enclose herewith for your Grace's sanction,
the Estimates for the Colony of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> for the year <date when="1863">1863</date>.
</p>
<p>
2. These documents have been prepared for some time, but I
did not forward them<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">at</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00160v.jpg"/> at an earlier date, as I gleaned from your Grace's
Despatch N<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> 135 of <date when="1862-08-01">1<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">st</hi> August last</date>, the Estimates for <date when="1862">1862</date> were
still under consideration, and I was desirous of possessing myself of
your Grace's views thereupon prior to the departure of the <date when="1863">1863</date>
Estimates. I fear however that inconvenience may arise were I to delay
further, and I therefore now<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">transmit</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00161r.jpg"/> transmit them.
</p>
<p>
3. Your Grace will observe that the proposed expenditure
exceeds the Revenue by £44,670. This is caused by the sum of
£70,000 being inserted for Roads. The detail to be found under
that head exhibits work that the Country most urgently demands—that
there is indeed an almost indispensable<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">necessity</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00161v.jpg"/> necessity should be
vigorously prosecuted in order to keep pace with the rapidly
increasing requirements of the Colony. Of such work however
only the most pressing has been admitted: there are numerous
other roads trails and improvements in the communication of
almost equal importance; but they must of necessity be deferred
until the incoming Revenue<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">will</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00162r.jpg"/> will pay the cost. As it is, the works that are named cannot be carried on without extraneous aid,
and that aid I have confidence will be sanctioned by your Grace upon
a consideration of the plain facts I presented in my Despatch
N<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> 58 of the <date when="1862-12-15">15<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> December 1862</date>. It is necessary for me here
to repeat the arguments I then<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">advanced</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00162v.jpg"/> advanced in favor of the policy of
contracting another loan of £50,000. The enormous cost of
transport, is crippling enterprise, chilling immigration, and
retarding the development of the vast auriferous wealth of the Colony
upon which at the present moment its existence depends, and to
reduce that cost by the<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">continued</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00163r.jpg"/> continued construction of roads in a
Colony so impracticable of access as <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> is, I conceive
not only an indispensable necessity and an imperative duty on the
part of the Government, but also a measure of sound policy, the
reproductive efforts of which, would, as I shewed in my
aforesaid Despatch, in their beneficial effects, be immediately realized.
</p><fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">4. In</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00163v.jpg"/>
<p>
4. In accordance with the instructions contained in your Grace's
Despatch N<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> 120 of the <date when="1862-05-09">9<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> May 1862</date>, I have made provision
in the Estimates for the salary of the Governor to be paid out of the
Colonial Revenue.
</p>
<p>
5. I have placed upon the Estimates a sum of £500 in aid of
the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> Survey<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">now</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00164r.jpg"/> now being prosecuted on the coast of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British
Columbia</placeName> an accompanying copy of a letter from <persName ref="prs:richards_gh">Captain Richards</persName>, recently
conducting the survey in these waters, explains the necessity
which existed for affording this aid, and under the circumstances
I did not hesitate to anticipate your Grace's approval to a sum<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">so</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00164v.jpg"/> so
well applied.
</p>
<p>
6. I have also placed upon the Estimates the sum of £5052 to
reimburse Her Majesty's Government the advances by overdrafts &amp;c. A
memorandum is enclosed with the Estimates exhibiting how this
amount is arrived at. I have omitted the sum of £10,704, which by
<orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> letter of <date when="1862-06-16">16<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> June 1862</date>,<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">forwarded</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00165r.jpg"/> forwarded in your Grace's Despatch N<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> 140, <date when="1862-09-16">16<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi>
September last</date>, was (as I believe under a misconception
of its nature) also required to be repaid this year on like account.
I feel sure that the explanation I rendered in my Depatch N<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> 6,
<date when="1863-01-10">10<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> January 1863</date> respecting the particular application of this sum, will<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">have</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00165v.jpg"/> have satisfied your Grace that it was purely a Military necessity,
independent of the Colony and therefore not chargeable to it.
</p>
<p>
7. In the preparation of the Estimates I have endeavoured to
avoid the superfluous detail as to the salaries objected to in
the Estimates submitted for the past year, and I<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">have</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00166r.jpg"/> have sought to
afford the full information required upon other points. I trust
therefore that the present Estimates may be found satisfactory.
</p>
<closer>
I have the honor to be<lb/>
My Lord Duke,<lb/>
Your Grace's most obedient<lb/>
humble Servant<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:douglas_j">James Douglas</persName>
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<ab><hi style="text-decoration: underline;"><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName></hi><lb/>
As the Governor has succeeded in getting two loans of
£50,000 each, there is nothing to object to in his appropriation
of £70,000 to Roads and Bridges. Instead, therefore, of his future
expenditures being in excess of revenue he will have money in hand.
</ab>
<p>
I think he has stolen a march upon us in regard to his
own emoluments. He had £1200 a year from <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B.C.</placeName> revenues, and £1800
from Parl<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi>. <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B.C.</placeName> now has to pay the whole £3000.
</p>
<p>
But we never intended that he should have £3000 plus £800
from <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.C.I.</placeName> It appears from<pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00167r.jpg"/> documents which have been lately
undergoing examination that, under the authority of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.C.I.</placeName> Supply
Acts this sum has been voted to the Governor for the last two
years. As one of those Acts has been sanctioned it may be said
that this salary has been tacitly recognized, and as the Governor
will shortly be superseded it may be best to say nothing on the subject.
</p>
<p>
You will see that the overdrafts, and the claim of the T-y
are provided for, which is satisfactory.
</p>
<p>
The Estimates are got up in a manner worthy of the best
machinery of an old Colony, instead of one of the latest.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
<date when="1863-05-15">
15 May
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
See Minute annexed.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1863-05-19">
19 May
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab><hi style="text-decoration: underline;"><persName ref="prs:fortescue">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Fortescue</persName></hi><lb/>
You have to consider 1<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">st</hi> the point about the Governor's
salary which is raised by <persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Blackwood</persName>, and 2<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">nd</hi> the questions
which are raised by the despatch.
</ab>
<p>
About the salary, I wished to ascertain the facts exactly,
and therefore requested <persName ref="prs:ebden">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Ebden</persName> to furnish an abstract of the
correspondence which is annexed. I think it proves that the
<orgName ref="org:colonial_office">Colonial Office</orgName> transacted it's business rather indefinitely at
the time of creating these Governments, but not that we could
maintain any charge of deception against the Governor. You will
see that, strange to say, the <orgName ref="org:colonial_office">Colonial Office</orgName> never fixed his
salary at all, but after announcing a grant of £1800 from
Parliament, merely added that there would be no objection to a
large increase from local funds if they would bear it. The two
Governments were created, as you are aware, in <date when="1859">1859</date>. Immediately
afterwards this office assented to an addition of £1200 from<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">the</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00186v.jpg"/> the local funds of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>. As to <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> we
cannot find any record in <date when="1859">1859</date>, but in <date when="1860-08">August, 1860</date>, the Governor
sent home an Ordinance meant to provide £800 for his salary
whenever the Land Revenue may be given up, and he has since
sent home two successive Appropriation Acts, making the same
contingent provision of £800. It might have been better if he
had drawn attention more particularly to the matter and it
certainly would have been better if this Office had either fixed
his salary more distinctly beforehand, or else made some inquiry
about it afterwards, but I cannot think that the circumstances
would justify an accusation of anything fraudulent against the
Governor. For these reasons I entirely agree in the conclusion
that it is better to say nothing about the matter.
</p>
<p>
The Governor professes to provide for <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> claims,
but it remains to be seen whether the provision can be accepted
as satisfactory. Their demand was<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">£17,000</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00187r.jpg"/> £17,000 and he provided £5000, on the assumption that the remainder is either remitted or otherwise
disposed of.
</p>
<p>
I think that the proper course will be to send a copy of the
present despatch to <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> for their consideration, to say
that it will be observed that the Governor assumes that a claim
for £10,704, in respect of drafts for Royal Engineers in a former
year, will be remitted, together with the minor charge of £69
for the passage of the Bishop. On these points I would refer to
our letter of the <date when="1862-04-02">2<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">nd</hi> April last</date> in which the <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Duke of Newcastle</persName>
submitted to the Lords Comm<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">s</hi> of <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> some reasons why
these claims might perhaps be relinquished. If it be correct that
£2000 of the vote for the year <date when="1863">1863</date> is left undrawn, the Governor
may properly take credit for that sum, since this is the most
convenient method of his paying off a debt to the British Treasury,
but whether it be a fact that such an amount has remained undrawn
is a point which their Lordships can best ascertain. The excess
of £70,000 in the estimated expenditure is founded on the permission
which the Governor<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">has</fw><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00187v.jpg"/> has received to raise two successive Loans of
£50,000 each.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1863-05-29">
29 May
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:newcastle">Duke of Newcastle</persName><lb/>
There seems nothing more to be said about these points,
until the Try answer our letter of <date when="1862-04-02">2 April</date>. I agree with
<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName>.
</ab>
<closer><signed>
<persName ref="prs:fortescue">CF</persName>
<date when="1863-06-05">
5 June
</date>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:newcastle">N</persName>
<date when="1863-06-08">
8
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName><lb/>
In a confidential despatch dated the <date when="1858-07-16">16<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> July 1858</date>, the
<choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> with a salary of at least £1000 a year,
to be paid for the present by the Imperial Government, was
offered to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Douglas</persName>.
</ab>
<p>
This <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> was to be held in conjunction with that of
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver I</placeName>, the salary of which as distinct from that
of the other Colony was left undetermined but with the assurance
that the administrator's interests would not be overlooked.
</p>
<p>
On the receipt of a despatch from <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Douglas</persName> accepting
these appointments but objecting to the salary as too small, it
was intimated to him that Parliament would be asked to provide
a salary of £1800 a year for the Governor of
<hi style="text-decoration: underline;"><placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName></hi> and <hi style="text-decoration: underline;"><placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver I</placeName></hi>, with the further intimation that
there would be no objection to a large increase of the salary
from local funds if able to bear the charge.
</p><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00188v.jpg"/>
<p>
In two subsequent despatches—N<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> 70 of the <date when="1859-05-23">23<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">rd</hi> May 1859</date>
and Confidential of the <date when="1860-02-13">13<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> February 1860</date>—£1200 was sanctioned
as the contribution of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B.C.</placeName> to the Governors salary conditionally
upon the attainment of its Revenue to £50,000.
</p>
<p>
But no further steps appear to have been taken by the Home
<choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> relative to the salary of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver I</placeName> <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> as
distinct from that of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B.C.</placeName>
</p>
<p>
And the Governor appears for some time to have drawn £1800
+ £1200 = £3000 as Governor of the two Colonies.
</p>
<p>
In the Colonial Estimates (of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName>) for <date when="1863">1863</date>, the
Governor has inserted £3000 for his salary, Parliament having
ceased to provide the £1800.
</p><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00189r.jpg"/>
<p>
Apart from the ability of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B.C.</placeName> to bear the increased charge
there is the question how far the contribution of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B.C.</placeName> may have
to be modified by any on the part of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.I.</placeName>
</p>
<p>
An act of the <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.I.</placeName> Legislature "for the payment of certain
salaries" passed in <date when="1860-08">August 1860</date> and received in <date when="1861-04">April 1861</date>
provided <hi style="text-decoration: underline;">conditionally</hi> for £800 for the Governor. This
act has only lately been returned from circulation but is
to be left unnoticed and is therefore in operation.
</p>
<p>
But in two subsequent Appropriation Acts, one for <date when="1862">1862</date>
which has been allowed and another for <date when="1863">1863</date> not yet acted upon,
there has been inserted an item of £1800 <ref target="#marg1">*</ref>for the Governor's salary.
</p>
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<ab>Colonial estimates of probable revenue for the year <date when="1863">1863</date>.</ab>
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<ab>Colonial estimates of sums required to defray expenses for <date when="1863">1863</date>.</ab>
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<div type="enclosure_entry"><pb facs="co_60_15/co_60_15_00181r.jpg"/>
<ab>Estimate of probable sums required to defray military expenses for <date from="1863" to="1864">1863-64</date>.</ab>
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<ab>Colonial sums owing to <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> for <date from="1862" to="1863">1862-63</date>.</ab>
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<ab><persName ref="prs:richards_gh">Captain G.H. Richards</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, <date when="1862-12-10">10 December 1862</date>, requesting financial assistance of £500.</ab>
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<ab><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">Elliot</persName> to <persName ref="prs:hamilton_ga">G.A. Hamilton</persName>, Treasury, <date when="1863-06-17">17 June 1863</date>, forwarding copy of despatch and estimates and discussing the disposition of finances in the colony.</ab>
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<ab>On the same condition as that mentioned in the "Salaries" Act of
<date when="1860">1860</date>.</ab>
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