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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Despatch to London. 
                Minutes (3), Enclosures (untranscribed) (1), Other documents (1), Marginalia (1).</p>
<p style="font-style: italic;">This document contains mentions of Indigenous Peoples. The authors of these documents often perpetuate a negative perspective of Indigenous Peoples and it is important to look critically at these mentions. They sometimes use terminology that is now considered hurtful and offensive.  To learn more about modern terminology pertaining to Indigenous Peoples, Indigenous ways of knowing, and decolonization, please refer to the <ref target="cdc:glossaryIP">Glossary of terms</ref>.</p>
<p><persName ref="prs:seymour_f">Seymour</persName> responds to <persName ref="prs:cardwell">Cardwell</persName>’s enquiries regarding an <q>insurrection of the Chilicoten Indians</q> in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>. <persName ref="prs:seymour_f">Seymour</persName> addresses the cost of the expeditions to find the killers, the population sizes of settlers and Indigneous, as well as an issue over the proper manner of correspondence between <persName ref="prs:seymour_f">Seymour</persName> and the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName>. In regards to the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName>, <persName ref="prs:seymour_f">Seymour</persName> also forwards a letter he wrote to <persName ref="prs:meade">Lord Gilford</persName> excusing a previous remark attributed to <persName ref="prs:seymour_f">Seymour</persName> and advising that <persName ref="prs:seymour_f">Seymour</persName>’s concern centred on the defenceless state of the colony, and was not intended as a personal slur towards <persName ref="prs:meade">Gilford</persName>.
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No. 56
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<opener><ref type="co_ref">10955, CO 60/19, p. 298; received 29 November
</ref>
<date when="1864-10-04">4<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> October 1864</date>
<salute>Sir,</salute>
</opener>
<p>
I have had the honor to receive your Despatch No. 30 of
the <date when="1864-08-01">1<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">st</hi> of August</date>, respecting the insurrection of the
<name type="ip" subtype="group">Chilicoten Indians</name> in this Colony. I am highly gratified to
perceive that you approve of the determination I expressed of
dealing with the matter as far as lay in my power as a series
of offences against the Law.
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<p>
2. I am reluctant to make any<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">observations</fw><pb facs="co_60_19/co_60_19_00300v.jpg"/> observations upon a despatch
so indulgent in tone as the one I have now the honor of acknowledging,
but I would observe, with reference to your second paragraph that
it was not so much the high rate of pay assigned to the Volunteers
of the two Expeditions I regretted, as the heavy miscellaneous
charges. For instance, the first that came under my notice, two
hundred pounds (£200) for the conveyance of fifty rifles and ammunition
to <placeName ref="plc:alexandria">Alexandria</placeName>. During three Months a force of upwards of a hundred
men has been maintained upon supplies obtained mainly from the Gold
regions, with their bases of supply, <placeName ref="plc:alexandria">Alexandria</placeName> or <placeName ref="plc:quesnel_lake">Quesnel</placeName><fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Mouth</fw><pb facs="co_60_19/co_60_19_00301r.jpg"/> <placeName ref="plc:quesnel_lake">Mouth</placeName>,
upwards of five hundred miles from the Sea. That these supplies
were difficult to obtain, even at exorbitant prices, can hardly
be considered as evidencing the prosperity of the Colony.
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<p>
3. <name type="ip" subtype="group"><!--SAL 19-05-03 this is more of a concept than a person or group-->The Indian insurrection</name> is merely referred to by you as
a question of Colonial importance. I would, however, beg most
respectfully to point out that should a real war take place between
<name type="ip" subtype="group">the Indian population</name> and the Whites, the former numbering about
60,000, the latter about 7,000 I may find myself compelled to
follow in the footsteps of the Governor of Colorado, whose
proclamation<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">I</fw><pb facs="co_60_19/co_60_19_00301v.jpg"/> I forwarded in my despatch No. 49 of the <date when="1864-09-24">24<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi>
of September</date> and invite every white man to shoot each <name type="ip" subtype="group">Indian</name> he may
meet. Such a proclamation would not be badly received here in a
case of emergency.
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4. The final paragraph of your despatch directs me to maintain
a cordial cooperation with the Admiral on this Station. I can
assure you that your wishes will be fully carried out on my part.
Indeed, they have been forstalled. I have no copy of the hurried
semi-official letter to your department in which I stated that I
had "despatched" a gun boat somewhere. But my official despatch
No. 8 of the<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">20<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi></fw><pb facs="co_60_19/co_60_19_00302r.jpg"/> <date when="1864-05-20">20<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> of May</date> was, I understand, before the Lords
of the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> at the same time as the note referred to, and in
it their Lordships may have seen stated that, "the Senior Naval
Officer after some hesitation, complied with my application for
assistance to the extent of supplying the Gunboat "<name ref="vsl:forward" type="vessel">Forward</name>,"
coupled with the request that she should be detained in the Colony
as short a time as possible." When so lent, I may have carelessly
stated—improperly, possibly—that I had "despatched" her to <placeName ref="plc:bute_inlet">Bute Inlet</placeName>.
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<p>
5. My correspondence with <persName ref="prs:meade">Lord Gilford</persName> created no bad feeling
between us, but after it had closed<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">when</fw><pb facs="co_60_19/co_60_19_00302v.jpg"/> when he was on a visit to me,
I learnt that he was annoyed by something which had been published
in the <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName> Papers, and I, quite unsolicited by him, wrote
the letter, copy of which I enclose. I do not and have not
complained of <persName ref="prs:meade">Lord Gilford</persName>, and I shall be always happy to
cooperate in the most friendly manner with him, but at the same
time I reserve to myself the right of thinking that earlier
assistance ought to have been afforded me. We might have saved
the lives of <persName ref="prs:macdonald_a">Macdonald</persName>'s party and prevented the rising of the
 Western branch of the <name type="ip" subtype="group">Chilicoten tribe</name> under .
</p>
<p>
6. <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Sir Edward Lytton</persName>'s despatch No. 30<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">of</fw><pb facs="co_60_19/co_60_19_00303r.jpg"/> of the <date when="1859-03-10">10<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> March
1859</date>, and the <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Duke of Newcastle</persName>'s, No. 31 of the <date when="1859-10-21">21<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">st</hi> October 1859</date>

<ref target="#marg1">*</ref>

certainly led me to believe that the two Gunboats would
be generally available for the Service of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> when
our fellow Countrymen were being butchered therein.
</p>
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I have the honor to be,<lb/>
Sir,<lb/>
Your most obedient<lb/> 
humble Servant<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:seymour_f">Frederick Seymour</persName>
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<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName><lb/>
The Despatch N. 30 of <date when="1864-08-01">1 of Aug<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></date> which the
<choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice> replies to is in circulation. I annex a Copy of
it. See 10948 referred to.
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<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>
<date when="1864-11-29">
29 Nov
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<ab><hi style="text-decoration: underline;"><persName ref="prs:cardwell">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Cardwell</persName></hi><lb/>
I <choice><abbr>sh<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>should</expan></choice> be inclined to treat these questions as
bygones, and put the Despatch by, unless you should
think it necessary to notice the end of par: 3.
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<date when="1864-11-29">
29/11
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<persName ref="prs:seymour_f">Seymour</persName> to <persName ref="prs:meade">Gilford</persName>, <date when="1864-06-11">11 June 1864</date>, excusing a previous remark
attributed to him and advising that his concern centred on the
defenceless state of the colony, and was not intended as a personal
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 Draft reply, <persName ref="prs:cardwell">Cardwell</persName> to <persName ref="prs:seymour_f">Seymour</persName>, No. 53, <date when="1864-12-01">1 December 1864</date>, approving of <persName ref="prs:seymour_f">Seymour</persName>’s action, however, <persName ref="prs:cardwell">Cardwell</persName> remarks that he does not understand <q>the meaning of the paragraph in which [<persName ref="prs:seymour_f">Seymour</persName>] speak[s] of inviting every white man to shoot every Indian he might meet.</q>
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The despatch remodelled as it here stands, and the
approval and signature of <persName ref="prs:cardwell">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Cardwell</persName> is done.
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<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1864-12-01">
1 Dec
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Parl: Paper Part II P. 81 &amp; Part III P. 105.
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