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<author><persName ref="prs:murdoch_twc">Murdoch</persName></author>
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<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">Elliot (Assistant Under-Secretary)</persName>
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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Public Offices document. 
                Minutes (7), Other documents (2), Marginalia (1).</p>

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<persName ref="prs:murdoch_twc">Murdoch</persName> describes <persName ref="prs:klaucke">Klaucke</persName>’s plan for a company to induce settlement to <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> and describes the negative aspects and reasons why <persName ref="prs:klaucke">Klaucke</persName>’s plan will probably fail. However, because <persName ref="prs:klaucke">Klaucke</persName>’s plan involves <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>, the colony extremely distant from Britain, <persName ref="prs:murdoch_twc">Murdoch</persName> proposes a method for supporting and implementing <persName ref="prs:klaucke">Klaucke</persName>’s plan for settling <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>. <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">Elliot</persName>’s minutes discuss reasons for not supporting <persName ref="prs:klaucke">Klaucke</persName>, but <persName ref="prs:adderley_cb">Adderley</persName>’s minute suggests <q>a free grant of land…might be conceeded.</q> <persName ref="prs:grenville_r">Buckingham</persName> minutes that settlement to <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> should not be discouraged but that a better explanation of benefits and costs should be received regarding <persName ref="prs:klaucke">Klaucke</persName>’s plan. Included documents reject <persName ref="prs:klaucke">Klaucke</persName>’s request for a free grant of land and ask for more information regarding <persName ref="prs:klaucke">Klaucke</persName>’s settlement plan of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>.
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Emigration Office
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<head>
Murdoch to Elliot (Assistant Under-Secretary)
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">4105, CO 60/30, p. 206; received 27 April
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
Emigration Office
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1867-04-26">26<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> April 1867</date>
<salute>Sir,</salute>
</opener>
<p>
In obedience to the instructions contained in your letter of
<date when="1867-03-20">20<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> inst</date>, we had yesterday an interview with <persName ref="prs:klaucke">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Klaucke</persName>, on
the subject of his scheme for promoting settlement in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British
Columbia</placeName>. We proceed to state the substance of that scheme, and the
extent to which we consider that it might be entertained by Her
Majesty's Government.
</p>
<p>
 2. <persName ref="prs:klaucke">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Klaucke</persName> proposes to form a Joint Stock Company in this
 Country with a capital of £200,000<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00207v.jpg"/> in 2000 Shares of £100 each,
to send out Settlers to be placed on Farms in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>. The
expense of the passage—of preparing &amp; fencing the land on which the
Settlers are to be placed—of erecting log houses and of providing
implements and provisions until the Settlers can raise a Crop, is to be
defrayed by the Company, and it is calculated that for a family of 3
Adults (that is for a man and his wife and two Children under 12)
this might be done for an expense exclusive of any payment for the
land, of $1100 = £229.3.4. Each family is to be placed on a Farm of
200 Acres—and until<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00208r.jpg"/> the expenses defrayed by the Company have been
repaid, the Company is to be entitled to receive, as rent, one
moiety of the gross produce of the Farm. It is calculated that this
moiety on 400 Farms, the establishment of which, exclusive of any
payment for the land, would cost £97,334, would be worth £16,000 a
year or more than 16 per cent. As soon as the Settler had repaid
the expenses incurred on his account by the Company the rent would
cease, and the Farm become his own. In the above statement I have
excluded the cost of the land, which in his pamphlet <persName ref="prs:klaucke">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
 Klaucke</persName> has<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00208v.jpg"/> put at $1 an Acre, as at our interview he expressed an
earnest hope that the Government would be willing to make a free
grant of Land to the Company.
</p>
<p>
3. It will be seen from the above statement that, assuming
<persName ref="prs:klaucke">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Klaucke</persName>'s data, there would be quite sufficient profit to
induce capitalists to enter into the scheme. But we confess that
we are not ourselves sanguine of its success.
</p>
<p>
The voyage from Europe to <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> could not be performed in
less than 4 months—it would involve passing twice through the Tropics
and as far South as 55<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> or 56<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> S. Latitude.<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00209r.jpg"/> The Emigrants
must, therefore, be provided with a large outfit of clothes, which
alone would involve a considerable expense. The land which they
would obtain in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> would not be superior to land they
might acquire in Canada, <placeName ref="plc:new_brunswick">New Brunswick</placeName> or the United States, while
in all other respects their position would be less advantageous. It
appears to us more than doubtful whether the advantages which the
scheme holds out of an advance of the expense of passage and
settlement, would be sufficient to overcome the disinclination which
persons<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00209v.jpg"/> of the class of small Farmers would naturally entertain to
so long a voyage and so distant &amp; unknown a Country. Nor can it
fail to occur to the proposed Settlers that a [per] cent amounting to
one half the gross produce of their farms is a very heavy price to pay
for these advantages, and is likely to make it difficult for them to
release themselves by paying off the principal debt. For these
reasons we doubt whether Settlers will be found to accept the proposed
conditions.
</p>
<p>
 4. Moreover it appears to us unlikely that <persName ref="prs:klaucke">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Klaucke</persName> will
 be able at the present time to<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00210r.jpg"/> induce capitalists to engage in such
an undertaking. For assuming his estimates of cost to be correctly
framed, it is clear that his estimate of profit must be liable to
great deductions. Failure of crop—difficulty of collecting the
Company's share—inability to sell at the estimated price—death or
desertion of Emigrants, and many other casualties which it is
impossible to foresee, must all tend to falsify his calculations.
It may, however, be considered that the probability of the formation
of the Company is not a point on which it is necessary here to enter.
Unless the Company is formed the scheme cannot<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00210v.jpg"/> go into operation—and
in that case nothing will be asked of Her Majesty's Government.
</p>
<p>
5. If the question had reference to any other Colony than
<placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> we should not be disposed to recommend that it
should be entertained. But it is so important, on political grounds,
to increase the British population in that Colony

<ref target="#marg1">*</ref>

and at the same
time so difficult, that we are reluctant to discountenance any
scheme which holds out a prospect, however remote, of doing so.
Upon these grounds we are disposed to<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00211r.jpg"/> recommend that the instruction
to the Governor of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> which prohibits the gratuitous
 alienation of Crown Land might be relaxed so far as to promise <persName ref="prs:klaucke">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
Klaucke</persName> that the Secretary of State would direct the Governor of
<placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> to reserve for any Company that might be formed for the
purpose of sending out Settlers to that Colony an extent of 10,000
Acres, to be allotted to Settlers in the proportion of not more than
200 Acres to each family, on condition that whatever was not settled
within two years from the date of the reservation should<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00211v.jpg"/> revert to
the Crown—that at least three fourths of the heads of families
should be natural born British subjects—that no charge should be
made to the Settlers for the land itself—and that as soon as they
should have repaid the advances made by the Company for their
passage and settlement, the Farms should be granted to them in fee
simple. It might further be promised that as soon as one settlement
of 10,000 Acres had been completed, another concession of land
should be made to the Company to the same extent and<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00212r.jpg"/> on the same
conditions, and so on as long as the Company were prepared to continue
their operations, and the Government was satisfied with the manner
in which they did so. But it would be necessary that the local
Authorities should have power to visit the settlements from time to
time, to ascertain that the conditions were faithfully carried out by
the Company, and that the Settlers were well conducted and fairly
successful. We propose the condition that at least three fourths of
the heads of families should be British because <persName ref="prs:klaucke">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Klaucke</persName>
 contemplates the intro<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00212v.jpg"/>duction of Germans, and it is not clear that
Germans would fulfil the object of filling up the Country with
persons who would be loyal to the British Crown. Unless this is
attained there would be no advantage in the scheme.
</p>
<p>
 6. We understood from <persName ref="prs:klaucke">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Klaucke</persName> that he would be satisfied
with concessions to the above extent. We do not think that, limited
as we propose, they could do any harm, &amp; though, as we have said,
we do not expect much sucess from the scheme, it may, we think, be<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00213r.jpg"/>
worth while not to throw away the chance it affords of effecting
something towards an object which H.M. Government have for many
years been anxious to promote.
</p>
<closer>
I have the honor to be<lb/>
Sir<lb/>
Your Obedient<lb/>
Humble Servant<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:murdoch_twc">T.W.C. Murdoch</persName>
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<ab><hi style="text-decoration: underline;"><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName></hi><lb/>
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
<date when="1867-04-27">
27 April
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
It is rarely that I do so, but I own that on this occasion I differ
from the opinion of the <orgName ref="org:emigration_office">Emigration Board</orgName>.
</ab>
<p>
First, as the Comrs justly point out, <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> is
 very difficult of access, very costly therefore to reach,<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">and</fw><pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00214r.jpg"/> and
by no means holds out inducements for Englishmen equal to either
Canada or Australia. I do not know why we should go out of our way
to lead settlers to make an erroneous choice.
</p>
<p>
In the next place I by no means agree that it is good general
policy to try to swell the English population in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName>. The
fewer Englishmen that are committed to the place the better it may
prove to be in no distant times. As to hoping that we can by Emigrants
round <placeName ref="plc:cape_horn">Cape Horn</placeName> outnumber the natural flow of Emigrants from
California and the United States, one might as well make the old
experiment of keeping out the Ocean with a mop.
</p>
<p>
Thirdly, I can hardly remember an instance of a Colonial Land
Company, which has not ended in disputes and disappointment. The
conditions<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00214v.jpg"/> look very well on paper, but are only food for wrangling.
Seeing that we cannot sincerely anticipate success, I should
decidedly recommend that we refuse to tie up large tracts of land,
without payment, for this speculatory Company. It would merely be
to repeat the errors which have been fertile sources of discontent
in other Colonies.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1867-04-27">
27 April
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:grenville_r">Duke of Buckingham</persName><lb/>
 I dont suppose <persName ref="prs:klaucke">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Klaucke</persName> would take the Com<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">rs</hi>
terms, even if we were disposed to offer them which I agree with
<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName> we should not. All he asks is a free grant of land which
I think might be conceeded, though I doubt his success.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:adderley_cb">CBA</persName>
<date when="1867-04-27">
27/4
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
I see no reason for discouraging the Settlement of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName>.
 I doubt the policy or success of the scheme proposed by <persName ref="prs:klaucke">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> K</persName>.
but as attention appears to be turned to <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName>—it is important
that the conditions under which land there shall be obtainable shall
be well considered &amp; made known. Let me see how this is &amp; what are
present regulations.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:grenville_r">B&amp;C</persName>
<date when="1867-05-03">
3/5
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
The existing rules on the disposal of land in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Columbia</fw><pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00215r.jpg"/> Columbia</placeName> will
be found at page 70 of the accompanying Colonization Circular. These
rules have been made by the local Legislature and are not unsound.
</ab>
<p>
From long familiarity with the disposal of Colonial lands, I do
not hesitate humbly to urge the great objections that there are to
making exceptions in favor of particular individuals or Companies.
What justification would there be for granting <persName ref="prs:klaucke">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Klaucke</persName> terms
which would be refused to any other purchaser? We know nothing
whatever about him except that he has taken the trouble to write
a letter to this Office. I have however<pb facs="co_60_30/co_60_30_00215v.jpg"/> seen him. He is an old
German between 70 and 80 years of age, very confused, and who, so
far as I can make out, has been unfortunate in business in California,
and would now like to get the manipulation of a Company under the
apparent patronage of the British Government.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1867-05-06">
6 May
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
 There is no necessity to write pro or con respecting <persName ref="prs:klaucke">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
Klaucke</persName>—but the question raised by the communication is whether the
general conditions of disposing of land in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Col</placeName>. are right &amp; such as to
encourage immigration or the contrary &amp; the reasons for them. e.g.
why is the upset price in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Col</placeName>. with the drawbacks stated,
double that of <placeName ref="plc:newfoundland">Newfoundland</placeName> or <placeName ref="plc:new_brunswick">N. Brunswick</placeName>.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:grenville_r">B&amp;C</persName>
<date when="1867-05-07">
7/5
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
I gave the Duke personal explanations upon the land rules generally.
As to <persName ref="prs:klaucke">Klaucke</persName> His Grace agreed that we should decline to make exceptions.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1867-05-11">
11 May
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers</persName> to Emigration Commissioners, <date when="1867-05-13">13 May 1867</date>, forwarding copy of
 letter to <persName ref="prs:klaucke">Klauke</persName> for information.
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:adderley_cb">Adderley</persName> to <persName ref="prs:klaucke">Klaucke</persName>, <date when="1867-05-13">13 May 1867</date>, refusing free grant of land.
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<ab>

I doubt this. Perhaps the fewer Englishmen committed to the place,
the better.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
</signed>
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