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<text><body><div type="correspondence">
<head>
Young to Rogers (Permanent Under-Secretary)
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<opener><ref type="co_ref">10527, CO 60/37, p. 663; received 17 September
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
Walmer, Kent
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1869-09-16">16<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> September 1869</date>
<salute>Sir,</salute>
</opener>
<p>
I have had the honor of receiving your letter of the <date when="1869-09-14">14<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi>
Instant</date>, acquainting me that in consequence of the appointment
of Assistant Colonial Secretary in <placeName ref="plc:jamaica">Jamaica</placeName> having been
conferred upon me, <persName ref="prs:leveson_g">Earl Granville</persName> cannot entertain, for the
present at least, my application for compensation for loss of
Office in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>.
</p><fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">I</fw><pb facs="co_60_37/co_60_37_00664v.jpg"/>
<p>
I would beg permission very respectfully to observe that I fear
my application has been misunderstood. It was far from my
intention to apply for compensation for loss of Office in
<placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>. The peculiar circumstances connected with the
deprivation of Office which I suffered in that Colony were
before the Secretary of State, and I was content without further
application on my part to await at <persName ref="prs:leveson_g">Lord Granville</persName>s hands that
recompense which I was sure he would accord me. The issue has
proved the justness of my expectation. His Lordship has
conferred upon<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">me</fw><pb facs="co_60_37/co_60_37_00665r.jpg"/> me, I believe, the first appointment at his
disposal since my arrival in England, and for this ready
acknowledgment of my case, I feel, as I have already expressed
myself, deeply grateful.
</p>
<p>
My removal from <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>, and my further employment in
<placeName ref="plc:jamaica">Jamaica</placeName>, can, however, according to the precedent, have no
bearing upon my claim to a retiring pension or allowance
for previous loss of Office for political reasons in the late
Colony of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName>, nor to the payment of such pension
while no other Office is enjoyed.
</p><fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">The</fw><pb facs="co_60_37/co_60_37_00665v.jpg"/>
<p>
The Colony of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> was abolished by Act of the
Imperial Parliament, the 29<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> and 30<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName> Chapter 67.
According to Circular addressed by the Governor on the <date when="1866-11-13">13<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi>
November 1866</date>, to the Officers of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName>, the Offices
held in <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> were, as a necessary consequence of
such Imperial Act, also abolished.
</p>
<p>
The instances are so numerous and the principle so well
established in respect of dealing with the emoluments of Offices
which are abolished by Law that I am sure I need not extend this
communication by any lengthened references. It<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">may</fw><pb facs="co_60_37/co_60_37_00666r.jpg"/> may, however,
not be inconvenient if I mention, as bearing directly upon
Colonial precedent, the 18 and 19 <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName>, cap 54, the Act
under which Responsible Government was extended to <placeName ref="plc:new_south_wales">New South
Wales</placeName>. As a necessary consequence of that Act certain superior
Officers were released or retired from Office, and provision is
made in the 51<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">st</hi> Section that such Officers shall be entitled
by way of Pension or retiring allowance to the full amount of
the Salaries respectively received by them at the time of the
passing of the Act, subject to the condition that if further
Office under the Crown be held the<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">pension</fw><pb facs="co_60_37/co_60_37_00666v.jpg"/> pension or retiring
allowance shall merge, or be reduced pro tanto during the tenure
of such further office.
</p>
<p>
The 18<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> and 19<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName> Cap. 55, the <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName> Government
Act, contains similar provisions.
</p>
<p>
The Crown Officers of <placeName ref="plc:tasmania">Tasmania</placeName> were similarly dealt with under
similar circumstances, but with this additional provision that
if they desired to
<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">retain</hi> their Offices subject to the liability to loss contingent
upon responsible Government, then in such case they could, instead of
a pension for life, receive at once a bonus equivalent to 5
years Salary.
</p>
<p>
I could cite other instances,<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">and</fw><pb facs="co_60_37/co_60_37_00667r.jpg"/> and instances in which subsequent
employment has been enjoyed, but I apprehend it is unnecessary,
for I understand your letter to signify that my claim to a
retiring Pension for loss of Office is not disputed, but only
that it must remain in abeyance for the present, in consequence
of an appointment having been subsequently conferred upon me.
</p>
<p>
I did not, however, ask, nor did I for one moment even
contemplate to establish any claim, to receive pension or
retiring allowance during such period as I might hold further
office. For more than two years after<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">the</fw><pb facs="co_60_37/co_60_37_00667v.jpg"/> the loss of my Office
in <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> I held further Office in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>.
I never raised the question of pension, for I considered I was
not then in a position to do so, nor should I now be in a
position to claim a pension for loss of Office in <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver
Island</placeName>, had I not ceased to enjoy such further Office in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British
Columbia</placeName>, and been absolutely without its emoluments since the
<date when="1869-04-07">7<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> April last</date>.
</p>
<p>
Up to the <date when="1869-04-07">7<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> April 1869</date> the pension or retiring allowance for
loss of office in <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> merged in the emoluments of
the further Office I held in <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Columbia</fw><pb facs="co_60_37/co_60_37_00668r.jpg"/> Columbia</placeName>, and such pension
would, of course, again merge in the emoluments of the present
Office which <persName ref="prs:leveson_g">Lord Granville</persName> has been good enough to bestow upon me.
</p>
<p>
But irrespective of any claim I may have upon ordinary and well
established grounds, I would further mention that several
Officers who lost Office upon the extinction of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName>
as a separate Colony, and who, perhaps, according to a rigid
application of rule were really not entitled to pensions for
such loss, yet, nevertheless, received a bonus<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">of</fw><pb facs="co_60_37/co_60_37_00668v.jpg"/> of from three to
Six months Salary, without any prejudice to subsequent
appointments bestowed upon them, and appointments too very
considerably exceeding in value the emoluments of the Office
lost. These instances were, I doubt not, duly reported to the
Secretary of State, and, therefore, I need not more particularly
refer to them. I merely mention them to shew that in making my
present application I am not asking to be placed in any
exceptional category, but merely to be treated as others have
been treated before me, and who, moreover, were in other
respects more fortunate than I have been,<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">inasmuch</fw><pb facs="co_60_37/co_60_37_00669r.jpg"/> inasmuch as they were
not exposed to the severe losses I have suffered.
</p>
<p>
With the Crown Officers of the formerly separate Colony of
<placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>, not one of whom lost office upon Union, the
principle of compensation has been admitted even to the extent of
construction losses, inasmuch as recompense has been sanctioned
to those gentlemen for being obliged to abandon, after <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName>
was selected as the Capital of the United Colony, the Residences
they had provided for themselves in <placeName ref="plc:new_westminster">New Westminster</placeName>.
</p>
<p>
I likewise have had to abandon the Homestead I had<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">formed</fw><pb facs="co_60_37/co_60_37_00669v.jpg"/> formed for
myself in the Colony, but in my case I lost my Office as well.
</p>
<p>
I merely now ask that the Pension to which I may be entitled
under the circumstances hereinbefore
narrated may be paid to me during the period in which
<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">I held no Office</hi>;
viz: from the <date when="1869-04-08">8<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> April</date> to such date as I may commence to enjoy
the emoluments of the Office in <placeName ref="plc:jamaica">Jamaica</placeName>, and I sincerely trust
that with this additional information before him, and with this
explanation of the intention of my fresh application, <persName ref="prs:leveson_g">Earl
Granville</persName> may deem that I am not asking for anything<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">that</fw><pb facs="co_60_37/co_60_37_00670r.jpg"/> that I am
not fairly entitled to, as others have been before me, and that
his Lordship will now authorize payment to be made.
</p>
<closer>
I have the honor to be<lb/>
Sir
<lb/>
Your most obedient Servant
<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:young_wag">William A.G. Young</persName>
<lb/>

<lb/>
</closer><closer><name type="addressee"><persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Sir Frederic Rogers</persName> B<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi>
<lb/>
Under Secretary of State
<lb/>
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<ab><hi style="text-decoration: underline;"><persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Sir F. Rogers</persName></hi><lb/>
"For the present at least" has I think raised the difficulty
you anticipated.
</ab>
<p>
As <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> have raised the point I suppose this <choice><abbr>sh<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>should</expan></choice> be
referred to them for consideration.
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<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:cox_c">CC</persName>
<date when="1869-09-18">
18/9
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
I think this may go to the Treas<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi> at once for the
conson of their Lordships.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:holland_ht">HTH</persName>
<date when="1869-09-18">
18/9/69
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<persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers</persName> to Secretary to <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName>, <date when="1869-09-22">22 September 1869</date>,
forwarding copy of <persName ref="prs:young_wag">Young</persName>'s letter for further consideration
regarding the question of a pension.
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