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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Public Offices document. 
                Minutes (5), Other documents (1), Marginalia (2).</p>


<p><persName ref="prs:mundy">Mundy</persName> writes to <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName>, for <persName ref="prs:grey_g">Grey</persName>'s information, on <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>'s unauthorized employment of an <orgName ref="org:hbc">HBC</orgName> vessel for use as a <q>Guard Ship</q> for <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName>; <persName ref="prs:mundy">Mundy</persName> asserts that the government will not pay for said expense.</p>
<p>The minutes discuss despatch-labelling procedures, and declare that <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName> <q>be directed to pay all expenses incurred</q> for his <q>disapproved</q> military <q>proceedings.</q></p>
<p>The file includes a draft reply from <persName ref="prs:grey_g">Grey</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, which relates that <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, and not <q>the Imperial Treasury,</q> is responsible for <q>Guard Ship</q> expenses, as the government perceives of no imminent <q>danger</q> to <q>the Colony.</q></p>
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<text><body><div type="public_offices">
<head>
<persName ref="prs:mundy">Mundy</persName> to <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName> (Permanent Under-Secretary)
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">10301, CO 305/5, p. 263; received 29 November
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
War Department
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1854-11-28">28 November 1854</date>
<salute>Sir,</salute>
</opener>
<p>
I have received and laid before <persName ref="prs:newcastle">the Duke of Newcastle</persName> your
letter of the <date when="1854-11-17">17<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> instant</date>, with its accompanying extract of a
Despatch from the Governor of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Van Couver's Island</placeName>, from which it
appears that, without waiting for an answer to the Despatch
under date<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">the</fw><pb facs="co_305_05/co_305_05_00267v.jpg"/> 
the <date when="1854-05-16">16<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> May</date>, which he has already addressed to the Secretary of State on the subject of the Defences of the Colony,
he has taken upon himself to charter a Vessel belonging to the
<orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudson's Bay Company</orgName>, to serve as a Guard Ship, at a cost of £600 a
month, which, he presumes, will be defrayed by Her Majesty's Government.
</p>
<p>
In reply thereto, I am directed to request that you will
intimate to <persName ref="prs:grey_g">Secretary Sir George Grey</persName>, that, unless<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">he</fw><pb facs="co_305_05/co_305_05_00268r.jpg"/>
he should
have been supplied by <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Governor Douglas</persName> or from any other quarter
with information of a much more reliable nature than any which
has hitherto reached <persName ref="prs:newcastle">the Duke of Newcastle</persName>, as to the danger to
which the Colony is exposed from Privateers or otherwise, His
Grace is of opinion, adverting to the correspondence which has
already passed on the subject, that the proceeding thus adopted
by <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Governor Douglas</persName> should be disapproved, and that he should be
informed<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">that</fw><pb facs="co_305_05/co_305_05_00268v.jpg"/> 
that Her Majesty's <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> cannot sanction, or hold
itself in any way responsible for the outlay incurred on this
account as a charge against the Imperial Treasury.
</p>
<p>
The correspondence referred to is to the following effect.
<ref target="#marg1">*</ref></p>
<p>
In a Despatch, dated <date when="1854-05-16">16<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> May last</date>, <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Governor Douglas</persName> requested
to be furnished, from Her Majesty's Stores, with arms,
accoutrements, ammunition and 12 Months provisions, for the
service of a Military Force of 500 men, to be raised in the
Colony; also with several pieces of light and<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">heavy</fw><pb facs="co_305_05/co_305_05_00269r.jpg"/> 
heavy Ordnance for
defensive Batteries, intimating, at the same time a desire to be
supplied with immediate instructions in respect to the payment
of any expenses necessarily incurred in providing for the
defences of the Colony, and to be informed to what amount, and
on whom he might draw for the same.
</p>
<p>
In answer to this Despatch (which was received on the <date when="1854-07-25">25<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi>
July</date>) he was informed, on the <date when="1854-08-05">5<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> August</date>, that Her Majesty's
Government<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">deemed</fw><pb facs="co_305_05/co_305_05_00269v.jpg"/> 
deemed it to be at once both unnecessary and
unadvisable to accede to the above requisition; that the Lords
of the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> had already given such directions to the
Admiral on the Station as would ensure <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">the Island</placeName> being
frequently visited by one or more of the Ships of War under his
command; and that Her Majesty's Government considered there was
nothing in the circumstances of the War with Russia to forbid
the hope and<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">expectation</fw><pb facs="co_305_05/co_305_05_00270r.jpg"/> 
expectation that the countenance and support which
would be thus afforded, would amply suffice for the protection
of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">the Island</placeName>.
</p>
<closer>
I have Sir,
<lb/>
Your obedient Servant
<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:mundy">E.C. Mundy</persName>
<lb/>

<lb/>
</closer><closer><name type="addressee"><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Herman Merivale</persName> Esq<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
<lb/>
&amp;c &amp;c &amp;c</name></closer>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:merivale_h">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Merivale</persName><lb/>
Refer <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Governor Douglas</persName> to the despatch Marked Military of the
<date when="1854-08-05">5<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> Aug<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></date> of which we were not aware in this Dept. when the
reference to the War Dept was made?
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>
<date when="1854-11-29">
29 Nov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">HM</persName>
<date when="1854-11-30">
N 30
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
But why were we not aware of it? This is another instance of the
Inconvenience<pb facs="co_305_05/co_305_05_00270vx.jpg"/> 
caused by the registering of our colonial despatches as
Military, and thereupon at once assuming that we have no concern with
such despatches.
</ab>
<p>
I think all despatches from Governors intended to be dealt with
by the War <choice><abbr>D<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Department</expan></choice> should first be circulated through our office.

<ref target="#marg2">*</ref>

I except of course such (if there are any) as have immediate reference
to the war with Russia, and demand <hi style="text-decoration: underline;">immediate</hi> attention<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">.</hi>
</p>
<p>
I do not find with these Papers the despatch, which is commented
upon in their Letter. But something more is necessary than a
mere reference of the <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice> in answer to <persName ref="prs:newcastle">the Duke of Newcastle</persName>'s
despatch of <date when="1854-08-05">5 Aug</date>. His proceedings must be disapproved, and he
must be directed to pay all expenses incurred in the best way he
can without expecting any assistance from Imperial funds.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:peel_f">FP</persName>
<date when="1854-12-01">
1 D
</date>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:grey_g">GG</persName>
<date when="1854-12-04">
4
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
</div>
<div type="minute_entry">
<ab>
See separate minute.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:grey_g">GG</persName>
</signed>
</closer>
</div>
<div type="minute_entry"><pb facs="co_305_05/co_305_05_00271r.jpg"/>
<ab>
I quite agree with <persName ref="prs:peel_f">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Peel</persName> that some different arrangements
<choice><abbr>sh<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>should</expan></choice> be made by which all Despatches addressed to &amp; received by
this Department Should be read &amp; disposed of in the Department.
Where they relate to matters purely military they <choice><abbr>sh<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>should</expan></choice> be
officially transmitted to the War Department, exactly as
Despatches relating exclusively to our Foreign relations<pb facs="co_305_05/co_305_05_00271v.jpg"/> 
are
communicated to the <orgName ref="org:foreign_office">Foreign Office</orgName> to be there dealt with by
directions from the <choice><abbr>Se<choice><abbr>c<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi></abbr><expan>company</expan></choice></abbr><expan>Secretary</expan></choice> of State for Foreign Affairs. The War
Department on the other hand should give us information of what
is done upon despatches so transmitted to it from this
Department, where they<pb facs="co_305_05/co_305_05_00272r.jpg"/> 
concern any Colonial interest.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:grey_g">GG</persName>
<date when="1854-12-04">
4 Dec<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:peel_f">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Peel</persName><lb/>
I have already made you acquainted with the course of business
of which I should recommend the addition, at least on trial,
between this department and<pb facs="co_305_05/co_305_05_00272v.jpg"/>
<persName ref="prs:newcastle">the Duke of Newcastle</persName>.
</ab>
<p>
I pass this accordingly: when returned, the particular
directions of the minute on 10301 will be followed.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">HM</persName>
<date when="1854-12-08">
D 8
</date>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:peel_f">FP</persName>
<date when="1854-12-11">
11
</date>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:grey_g">GG</persName>
<date when="1854-12-12">
12
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
Draft reply, <persName ref="prs:grey_g">Grey</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, No. 7, <date when="1854-12-18">18 December 1854</date>.
</ab>
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<ab>

Military Corresp<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">ce</hi>
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<ab>
This is arranged.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">HM</persName>
</signed>
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