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<persName ref="prs:labouchere_h">Labouchere</persName>
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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Public Offices document. 
                Minutes (8), Enclosures (untranscribed) (1), Other documents (1).</p>
<p style="font-style: italic;">This document contains mentions of Indigenous Peoples. The authors of these documents often perpetuate a negative perspective of Indigenous Peoples and it is important to look critically at these mentions. They sometimes use terminology that is now considered hurtful and offensive.  To learn more about modern terminology pertaining to Indigenous Peoples, Indigenous ways of knowing, and decolonization, please refer to the <ref target="cdc:glossaryIP">Glossary of terms</ref>.</p>
<p>
<persName ref="prs:shepherd_j">Shepherd</persName> writes to <persName ref="prs:labouchere_h">Labouchere</persName> to reject the inclusion of northwestern North America <q>beyond the limits of the Colony of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName></q> in <q>the proposed Reciprocity Treaty.</q>
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<p>
<persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName>, <persName ref="prs:labouchere_h">Labouchere</persName>, and <persName ref="prs:ball">Ball</persName> discuss their official opinions of the contents of letter. They consider the validity of the decision to not include northwestern North America in the reciprocity treaty, and whether they should support it. 
</p>
<p>
 File contains a letter extract from a letter between <persName ref="prs:simpson_g">Simpson</persName> to <persName ref="prs:shepherd_j">Shepherd</persName>, <q>making a strong case against extending the Reciprocity Treaty to the Northwest Coast</q> and a draft from <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName> to <persName ref="prs:hammond">Hammond</persName>, containing copies of the letter and <q>suggesting that negotiations on the subject of reciprocity be not renewed.</q> 
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Hudson's Bay House
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London
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<head>
<persName ref="prs:shepherd">Shepherd</persName> to <persName ref="prs:labouchere_h">Labouchere</persName>
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">4154, CO 305/7, p. 333; registered 9 May
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
Hudson's Bay House
</addrLine>
<addrLine>
<placeName ref="plc:london">London</placeName>
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1856-05-08">8<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> May 1856</date>
<salute>Sir</salute>
</opener>
<p>
With reference to my letter of the <date when="1856-04-15">15<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> Ultimo</date>, I have now the
honor to enclose for your information, Extract of a letter received from
<persName ref="prs:simpson_g">Sir George Simpson</persName>, under date Lachine, <date when="1856-04-11">11<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> April 1856</date>, relative to
the proposed Reciprocity Treaty between Her Majesty's Government and
that of the United States on the North West Coast of America.
</p>
<p>
From the long experience which <persName ref="prs:simpson_g">Sir George Simpson</persName> has had in all
matters connected with <name type="ip" subtype="group">the native Tribes of America</name>, and from his
personal knowledge of the locality to which it is proposed to extend the
Treaty, the Directors of the <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudson's Bay Company</orgName> deem his opinion
deserving of much consideration, and they have <fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">come</fw><pb facs="co_305_07/co_305_07_00335v.jpg"/>come to the conclusion
that, so far as the interests of the <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudson's Bay Company</orgName>, and, I may
add, of <name type="ip" subtype="group">the native Tribes on the North West Coast</name>, are concerned, it is
not desirable that the provisions of the Treaty should be extended
beyond the limits of the Colony of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName>.
</p>
<p>
Should the counter proposition alluded to in <persName ref="prs:crampton_jft">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Crampton</persName>s Despatch of the <date when="1856-02-18">18<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> February</date> be made by the Government of the United
States, I respectfully beg, on the part of the <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudson's Bay Company</orgName>,
that the same be not allowed by Her Majesty's Government.
</p>
<closer>
I have the honor to be Sir
<lb/>
Your most obedient Servant
<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:shepherd">John Shepherd</persName>
<lb/>
<choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice>
<lb/>

<lb/>
</closer><closer><name type="addressee"><persName ref="prs:labouchere_h">The Right <choice><abbr>Hon<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">ble</hi></abbr><expan>Honourable</expan></choice> H. Labouchere</persName>
<lb/>
&amp;c &amp;c &amp;c
<lb/>
Colonial office</name></closer>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:merivale_h">M<hi style="text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Merivale</persName><lb/>
Forward copy to the <orgName ref="org:foreign_office">F.O.</orgName>
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
<date when="1856-05-09">
9 May
</date>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">HM</persName>
<date when="1856-05-10">
M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi> 10
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:labouchere_h">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Labouchere</persName><lb/>
I think it is for this depart<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi> to express an opinion &amp; before I do so
myself I think <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Merivale</persName> would like to consider this more fully.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:ball">JB</persName>
<date when="1856-05-10">
10 May
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:merivale_h">M<hi style="text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Merivale</persName><lb/>
I think we shd express an opinion. Pray let me speak to you about it.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:labouchere_h">HL</persName>
<date when="1856-05-12">
12 M
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:labouchere_h">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Labouchere</persName><lb/>
I think it very difficult to express any official opinion on this
subject. <persName ref="prs:simpson_g">Sir G. Simpson</persName> reports entirely against an extension of the
Reciprocity Treaty to <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vanc. I<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></placeName>. His reason as a servant of the <orgName ref="org:hbc">HBC</orgName>
is a very obvious one—he wants to keep out American vessels from the
coast as long as he can and as far as he can, lest they should interfere
with the fur trade. He thinks "reciprocity" would be a pretext. This,
alone, is no reason at all for H.M's. Government: who when they made
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vanc. I.</placeName> a colony, pledged themselves in my opinion to govern it
without any reference to the special interests of that Company, &amp; simply
for the good of the inhabitants.
</ab>
<p>
But on the other hand, we must<pb facs="co_305_07/co_305_07_00339v.jpg"/> remember the real difficulty in
carrying on the government of the island at all <hi style="text-decoration: underline;">against</hi> the
resolutions of the H.B.C. &amp; their servants, considering that they find
all the expense, the Governor, &amp; almost the whole population: and,
further, the very critical position of the whole <name type="ip" subtype="group">Indian frontier</name><!-- LILS this is a region not a group --> on the
N. West at this moment. On the whole, unless there is strong pressure
from the American side, I am inclined to believe this question best
adjourned, for the sake of all parties, until the general revision of
the Company's rights which must take place in 1859.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">HM</persName>
<date when="1856-03-16">
M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi> 16
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:labouchere_h">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Labouchere</persName><lb/>
It is true that some of <persName ref="prs:simpson_g">Sir G. Simpson</persName>'s arguments go to resist the
extension of the Recip<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi> Treaty to <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName> but as I
understand the correspondence the point which has been considered
doubtful &amp; to<pb facs="co_305_07/co_305_07_00340r.jpg"/> which <persName ref="prs:simpson_g">Sir G. Simpson</persName>'s observations directly apply is as
to the answer which <choice><abbr>sh<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>should</expan></choice> be given to <persName ref="prs:crampton_jft">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Crampton</persName>'s despatch of <date when="1856-02-18">18
Feb<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi> last</date> wherein the question is raised whether the Recip<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi> Treaty
should be extended not only to <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName> but also to the
possessions on the mainland of [the] N.W. Coast of America &amp; to <placeName ref="plc:haida_gwaii">Q.
Charlotte's Island</placeName>.
</ab>
<p>
The Directors of the H.B. Comp<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi> in their letter to <persName ref="prs:clarendon">L<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi>
Clarendon</persName> so lately as <date when="1856-03-13">13<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> March last</date> wrote decidedly in favor of
the extension of the Treaty to <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V. Island</placeName> &amp; I am not aware that they have
ever expressed any other opinion.
</p>
<p>
On the whole I am much disposed to agree with <persName ref="prs:simpson_g">Sir G. Simpson</persName> in his
objections to giving the Americans a footing on the N.W. Coast chiefly
because I think that there as well as elsewhere they <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> get into
collision with <name type="ip" subtype="group">the Natives</name>.
</p>

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<p>
On the whole I should be disposed to inform <persName ref="prs:clarendon">L<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi> Clarendon</persName> that
you think that the objections stated by <persName ref="prs:simpson_g">Sir G. Simpson</persName> to the extension
of the Re<choice><abbr>c<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi></abbr><expan>company</expan></choice> Treaty to the N.W. Coast possessions are entitled to
much weight—and that with regard to the original proposition which was
limited to <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName>, there seems to be no pressing need for
any alteration in the relations between the Colony &amp; the United St. &amp;
there may be reasons at the present moment for abstaining from any
renewal of negotiations unless they <choice><abbr>sh<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>should</expan></choice> be resumed by the American
<choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice>.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:ball">JB</persName>
<date when="1856-05-20">
20 May
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
Very well.<lb/>
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:labouchere_h">HL</persName>
<date when="1856-05-23">
23
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
Extract, <persName ref="prs:simpson_g">Sir George Simpson</persName> to <persName ref="prs:shepherd">Shepherd</persName>, <date when="1856-04-11">11 April 1856</date>, making a
strong case against extending the Reciprocity Treaty to the Northwest
Coast but making no specific reference to <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName>.
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<div type="other_entry"><div><pb facs="co_305_07/co_305_07_00337r.jpg"/>
<ab>
Draft, <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName> to <persName ref="prs:hammond">E. Hammond</persName>, <orgName ref="org:foreign_office">Foreign Office</orgName>, <date when="1856-05-31">31 May 1856</date>,
transmitting copies of the letter and enclosure and suggesting that
negotiations on the subject of reciprocity be not renewed at present.
</ab>
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<div type="minutes">
<div type="minute_entry"><pb facs="co_305_07/co_305_07_00338r.jpg"/>
<ab>
It will be necessary to tell the Governor, who was very desirous of<lb/>
the Extension of the Treaty to <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.C.Is<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></placeName>, that the scheme is, for the
present at least, abandoned.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
Yes, it is singular however that <persName ref="prs:simpson_g">Sir G. Simpson</persName>'s objections, in<lb/>
the interest of the Company, should not equally have struck <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
Douglas</persName>, who is their servant.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">HM</persName>
</signed>
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