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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Despatch to London. 
                Minutes (3), Enclosures (untranscribed) (2), Other documents (1).</p>
<p><persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName> transmits a copy of a letter, from <q><persName ref="prs:harney">Brigadier General Harney</persName>,</q> on the <q>the United States Troops now occupying the <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">Island of San Juan</placeName>,</q> noting, among other points, that <q>the occupation of <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">San Juan</placeName> is every day becoming more complete.</q> <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">Elliot</persName> minutes that <q>it is difficult to receive the daily arriving accounts of the manner in which the Americans are strengthening themselves without having some uncomfortable misgivings whether after all <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Governor Douglas</persName> was not right and whether it would not have been better to land some of our people likewise.</q></p></abstract><correspDesc>
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<head>
No. 45
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<opener><ref type="co_ref">10757, CO 305/11, p. 148; received 31 October
</ref>
<date when="1859-09-09">9 September 1859</date>
</opener>
<p>
I have the honor of transmitting herewith for Your Grace's
information the copy of a letter, lately received from <persName ref="prs:harney">Brigadier
General Harney</persName>, in reply to my communication <fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">to</fw><pb facs="co_305_11/co_305_11_00152v.jpg"/>to him of the <date when="1859-08-13">13<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi>
August last</date>.
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<p>
2. With respect to <persName ref="prs:harney">General Harney</persName>s letter, it is unnecessary to
do more than request Your Grace's attention to a few very
important points.
</p>
<p>
In the first place I would refer to his remark, that on two
different occasions since he entered upon his present command,
he had "reported to his Government in terms of commendation
and praise" concerning my "acts affecting American citizens",
and secondly, that though the explanation given in my letter had
removed the impression that any violation of the rights of
American citizens had been committed by the <fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">authorities</fw><pb facs="co_305_11/co_305_11_00153r.jpg"/>authorities of
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouvers Island</placeName>, he nevertheless declines to withdraw the
United States Troops now occupying the <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">Island of San Juan</placeName> "until
the pleasure of the President of the United States has been made
known on the subject."
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<p>
3. In the meantime the occupation of <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">San Juan</placeName> is every day
becoming more complete; the troops have been removed to, and now
occupy, a commanding hill, the very position in fact, which I
intended should be occupied, had they been landed according to
my plan, by Her Majesty's Troops, contiguous to the settlement
of the Hudsons <fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Bay</fw><pb facs="co_305_11/co_305_11_00153v.jpg"/>Bay Company.
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<p>
4. They are now engaged in strengthening that position by
various military works, which indicate an intention to make good
their occupation, as Your Grace will observe by a communication
from <persName ref="prs:decourcy_j">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> De Courcy</persName>, Magistrate for the District of <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">San Juan</placeName>, of
equal date, which is herewith transmitted.
</p>
<p>
5. The Squatter population, alluded to in that letter, will
soon disappear in the event of the United States Troops being
withdrawn from <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">San Juan</placeName>, as it is only the presence of the
latter which now induces them to remain there; a <fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">remark</fw><pb facs="co_305_11/co_305_11_00154r.jpg"/>remark which I
take the liberty of making in case the Government of the United
States should make it a point of honor to hold <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">the Island</placeName>, under
the plea of its containing an American population of a fixed
character and settled habits, which is however not the case.
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I have etc.
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<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName><lb/>
Copy to <orgName ref="org:foreign_office">Foreign Office</orgName>.
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<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
<date when="1859-11-01">
1 Nov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
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Transmit as proposed?
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From the tenour
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of the Governor's remarks, it is evident that he considers that
passing events strongly support the original view that it would
have been better to effect a landing of a British Force
immediately that the Americans had landed theirs. The opposite
mode of proceeding [is] [p]leasing to the [pa]cific and
[tem]perate views of
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a <pb facs="co_305_11/co_305_11_00155r.jpg"/>Community like ours, but it is difficult to receive the daily
arriving accounts of the manner in which the Americans are
strengthening themselves without having some uncomfortable
misgivings whether after all <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Governor Douglas</persName> was not right and
whether it would not have been better to land some of our people
likewise and announce that we should maintain a joint occupation
until the Americans withdrew.
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<p>
We have preserved the peace, but I greatly doubt we may have
lost <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">San Juan</placeName>.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1859-11-01">
1 Nov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
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Whatever may be the eventual decision as to the <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">Isl<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi> of S. Juan</placeName>
no British <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice>
<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">ought</hi> to be in the slightest degree influenced by this
lawless occupation, and if so the fact of <persName ref="prs:douglas_j"><choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice> Douglas</persName> having
been overruled by the Naval and Military Authorities can have no
effect upon the ultimate result of diplomatic negociations.
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It is however quite open to question whether <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice> D<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">s</hi> plan
would not have been the best, but it was not open to question
whether, when his plan <pb facs="co_305_11/co_305_11_00155v.jpg"/>had been abandoned the <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> at home
should hesitate to share the responsibility of and approve that
which had been adopted. If unhappily our Force had been
inferior we could hardly have taken the course we did with
honor—it being greatly superior, the act was one of generous
forbearance—not of timidity. Copy to <orgName ref="org:foreign_office">F.O.</orgName>
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:newcastle">N</persName>
<date when="1859-11-02">
2
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<persName ref="prs:harney">William S. Harney</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, <date when="1859-08-24">24 August 1859</date>,
declining to remove the troops until he received instructions from
the president.
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:decourcy_j">John de Courcy</persName>, Stipendiary Magistrate, to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>,
<date when="1859-09">September 1859</date>, reporting on the state of affairs on <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">San Juan</placeName>.
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Draft, <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName> to <orgName ref="org:foreign_office">Foreign Office</orgName>, <date when="1859-11-07">7 November 1859</date>, forwarding
copy of the despatch.
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