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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Public Offices document. 
                Minutes (3), Enclosures (untranscribed) (6), Other documents (2).</p>

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Admiralty
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<persName ref="prs:romaine_wg">Romaine</persName> to <persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers</persName> (Permanent Under-Secretary)
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">5065, CO 305/15, p. 31; received 18 May
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<orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName>
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<date when="1860-05-17">17 May 1860</date>
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<p>
I am commanded by my <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty</orgName> to send you
herewith, for the information of Her Majesty's Secretary of State for
the Colonies, a Copy of a Letter from <persName ref="prs:baynes_rl">Rear Admiral Baynes</persName>, dated the
<date when="1860-03-28">28<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> March</date>, N<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> 42, enclosing a Copy of his Correspondence with the
Governor of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> relative to the withdrawal of the Royal
Marines employed as a Military Guard at <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Fort Victoria</placeName> for service on the
<placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">Island of San Juan</placeName>, and <fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">pointing</fw><pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00032v.jpg"/>pointing out that whilst the Royal Engineers
serving in <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> and <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> are paid very
highly, the Officers and men of the Royal Marines have not received
any Colonial Pay since the Commencement of <date when="1859-08">August 1859</date>.
</p>
<p>
My Lords consider that the conduct of <persName ref="prs:baynes_rl">Admiral Baynes</persName> in this matter
should be approved; he has acted in strict accordance with the
general spirit of his Instructions, and with reference to the general
question as to the mode in which Military Protection is to be
afforded to <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName> and to other portions of the <fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Territory</fw><pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00033r.jpg"/>Territory of
<placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> their Lordships can only advert to the observations
contained in their Letter of the <date when="1859-06-09">9<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> June 1859</date> to the Secretary of
State for War, a Copy of which Letter appears to have been sent on
the <date when="1859-06-16">16 June</date> to the <orgName ref="org:colonial_office">Colonial Office</orgName> from the War Department.
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I am etc.
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<persName ref="prs:romaine_wg">W.G. Romaine</persName>
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<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName><lb/>
Perhaps the Governor may address a despatch to the S. of State on
this subject, wh<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">h</hi> may make it advisable to defer ans<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">g</hi> this Letter
for a short time. In the meanwhile I may observe that as no reason
ever existed for stationing a Military force of any Kind at <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName>
so neither have any orders been issued for that purpose by the Home
Authorities. I therefore think the Governor has no excuse for keeping
even one Marine at the seat of <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> when Marines are so much in
request elsewhere. As for robbing <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> the Legislature had
better provide a staff of Constables, if they have any fear on that
head.
</ab>
<p>
The answer to the suggestion for extending to the Marines a
colonial (extra) allowance is that no provision has been made for
any, and that there does not appear to exist any sufficient grounds
either in point of service or climate which would justify such extra
payment.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
<date when="1860-05-22">
22/5
</date>
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<ab>
I think that it is unnecessary to wait on the chance of hearing from
the Governor. The Admiral's view is beyond all doubt correct.
These Marines were brought from China not as substitutes for a
Police, but to protect the Colony against foreign aggression, and how
could they be more strictly <pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00034r.jpg"/>employed on such a service than in
occupying the <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">Island of San Juan</placeName>? I would submit that we may convey
an entire concurrence in the approval which the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> propose to
express of the Admirals views, and that we may add that the Governor
will be so informed. He should then be written to accordingly.
</ab>
<p>
<persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Governor Douglas</persName> is rather too fond of entering into debate with the
Admiral.
</p>
<p>
On the question of extra-pay, a further Minute will be circulated
with some papers now in my hands.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1860-05-29">
29 May
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
I quite agree.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:fortescue">CF</persName>
<date when="1860-06-01">
June 1
</date>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:newcastle">N</persName>
<date when="1860-06-04">
4
</date>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:baynes_rl">R.L. Baynes</persName> to Secretary of the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName>, <date when="1860-03-28">28 March 1860</date>,
forwarding copies of correspondence with <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName> regarding the
detachment of Royal Marines on <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName>, with explanation.
</ab>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:baynes_rl">Baynes</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, <date when="1860-03-20">20 March 1860</date>, advising that the marines currently
stationed at <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Fort Victoria</placeName> would be immediately required for service on
<placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">San Juan Island</placeName>.
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName> to <persName ref="prs:baynes_rl">Baynes</persName>, <date when="1860-03-20">20 March 1860</date>, suggesting
that if it was intended that the entire detachment be removed, it
would be advisable to leave twenty-five men as a guard at Victoria.
</ab>
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<div type="enclosure_entry"><pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00039r.jpg"/>
<ab>
<persName ref="prs:baynes_rl">Baynes</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, <date when="1860-03-21">21 March 1860</date>, advising that in order to match the
American force on <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">San Juan Island</placeName>, all the Royal Marines at <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName>
would be removed to <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">the island</placeName>.
</ab>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName> to <persName ref="prs:baynes_rl">Baynes</persName>, <date when="1860-03-21">21 March 1860</date>, expressing regret at the Admiral's
decision, and again emphasizing the need for a guard at Victoria.
</ab>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:baynes_rl">Baynes</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, <date when="1860-03-23">23<!-- KSS note: I changed this to 23, from 22, as it looks to me like the original transcription was incorrect --> March 1860</date>, declining to alter his decision,
with further explanation of his position in the matter.

</ab>
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<ab>
Draft reply, <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, No. 23, <date when="1860-06-09">9 June 1860</date>.
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<ab>
Draft, <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">Elliot</persName> to Secretary to the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName>, <date when="1860-06-13">13 June 1860</date>,
expressing <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName>'s approval of the Admiral's actions.
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