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<title><persName ref="prs:hammond"><surname>Hammond</surname>, <forename>Edmund</forename></persName> to <persName ref="prs:rogers_f"><surname>Rogers</surname>,  <forename>Frederic</forename></persName> 8 November 1860, CO 305:15, no. 10510, 264.</title>
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<publicationStmt><p>Published by Jim Hendrickson and the University of Victoria.</p></publicationStmt><notesStmt><note xml:id="V605FO25_citation"><bibl><persName ref="prs:hammond"><surname>Hammond</surname>, <forename>Edmund</forename></persName> to <persName ref="prs:rogers_f"><surname>Rogers</surname>,  <forename>Frederic</forename></persName> 8 November 1860, CO 305:15, no. 10510, 264.<title level="m">The Colonial Despatches of Vancouver Island and British Columbia 1846-1871</title>, Edition 2.6, ed. James Hendrickson and the Colonial Despatches project. Victoria, B.C.: University of Victoria. <ref target="V605FO25.html">https://bcgenesis.uvic.ca/V605FO25.html</ref>.
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                Minutes (4), Other documents (1).</p>

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<persName ref="prs:hammond">Hammond</persName> to <persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers</persName> (Permanent Under-Secretary)
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">10510, CO 305/15, p. 264; received 9 November
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<orgName ref="org:foreign_office">Foreign Office</orgName>
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<date when="1860-11-08">8 November 1860</date>
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I have laid before <persName ref="prs:russell_j">Lord John Russell</persName> your letter of the <date when="1860-11-02">2<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi> instant</date>
and its Inclosure from the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> stating that the detachment of
Marines stationed at <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">San Juan</placeName> is about to be recalled and requesting
that immediate steps may be taken to have the duties otherwise
performed.
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<p>
In reply to your request for <persName ref="prs:russell_j">Lord J. Russell</persName>'s opinion as to the
answer which should be returned to the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> on <fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">this</fw><pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00265v.jpg"/>this subject, I am
to request that you will suggest to the Secretary of State for the
Colonies that the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> should be informed that if these Marines
are withdrawn they should be replaced by others, but that it would be
very undesirable that the Officers commanding the present detachment
should be changed, owing to the good understanding which appears to
exist between them and the United States Officers on the Island.
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<p>
<persName ref="prs:russell_j">Lord J. Russell</persName> would however, further suggest for the consideration
of the Colonial <fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Secretary</fw><pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00266r.jpg"/>Secretary, whether it would not be desirable to apply
to the Secretary of State for War, requesting that as soon as Troops
can be spared from China, a Regiment should be sent to <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName>. Independently of the advantage which might be expected to
result to <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> from the presence of a British Regiment in
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName>, the 100 men required for service on <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">San Juan</placeName>
might be furnished by the Regiment and the Marines might in that <fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">case</fw><pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00266v.jpg"/>case
be available for their proper services.
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I am etc.
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<persName ref="prs:hammond">E. Hammond</persName>
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<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName><lb/>
Write to the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> &amp; War office as suggested?
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<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>
<date when="1860-11-09">
9 Nov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
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<persName ref="prs:fortescue">M<hi style="text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Fortescue</persName><lb/>
This is a letter on which you will probably remember that I have had
more than one conversation with you.
</ab>
<p>
The <orgName ref="org:foreign_office">Foreign Office</orgName> suggest for consideration the question whether
after the operations in China are over, a Regiment might with
advantage be sent from thence to be stationed at <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName>.
This is a serious subject which can only be dealt with by the <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Duke of Newcastle</persName>, but the news which arrived from China immediately after
the receipt of this letter has deprived the question of any immediate
practical consequence.
</p>
<p>
For this reason however the other question arrives, viz<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi> whether
the Marines must really be brought away as proposed by the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName>
in their letter of the <date when="1860-10-22">22<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">nd</hi> of October</date>, and if so what substitute is
to be provided for them at <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">San Juan</placeName>. The <orgName ref="org:foreign_office">Foreign Office</orgName> suggestion
that if the detachment be brought away they should be replaced by
other privates, but that the same Officers should remain on the spot
<pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00267v.jpg"/>is one which I should think that it could hardly be possible to
reconcile with the usages of the Services. Besides who would have
charge
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of the Soldiers on their voyage homewards?
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1860-12-08">
8 Dec<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
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<persName ref="prs:newcastle">Duke of Newcastle</persName><lb/>
I sh. be disposed to recommend the <orgName ref="org:foreign_office">F.O.</orgName> to request the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> to
supply another detachment of Marines instead of the present one, (if
the latter must be relieved), as the best force for the purpose of
holding <placeName ref="plc:san_juan_island">San Juan</placeName>.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:fortescue">CF</persName>
<date when="1860-12-14">
14
</date>
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<ab>
The question of placing a Regiment in <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouvers Island</placeName> is one of too
much importance to be decided upon merely for the purpose of
providing a substitute for the 100 Marines who are to be withdrawn.
It may <pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00268r.jpg"/>have an important bearing, for good or for evil, upon the
negociations now going on with the United States and ought not to be
done without the knowledge of the Cabinet.
</ab>
<p>
I think the best step to take will be to send the letter of the <orgName ref="org:foreign_office">F.O.</orgName>
to <persName ref="prs:herbert_s">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Herbert</persName>, and say that I consider it a question of such
immediate and prospective interest that I hope he will
communicate further with the <orgName ref="org:foreign_office">F.O.</orgName> before any final decision is
adopted, and that if any such measure should be decided upon it would
be necessary at once to provide barracks for their accommodation. I
do not see any necessity for so large a force as a Regiment, even if
Soldiers must be substituted for Marines.
</p>
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<p>
It would be well to add in the letter to the <orgName ref="org:war_office">W.O.</orgName> that if a Regiment
or portion of a Reg<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi> were to be sent to <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.I.</placeName> the occasion might be
taken for withdrawing the Sappers—a force which costs £22,000 per
ann: and has not answered the objects for
which they were sent out—of surveying, road-making, &amp;c.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:newcastle">N</persName>
<date when="1860-12-19">
19
</date>
</signed>
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Draft,
<orgName ref="org:colonial_office">Colonial Office</orgName> to Under-Secretary, <orgName ref="org:war_office">War Office</orgName>, <date when="1861-01-04">4 January
1861</date>, forwarding copy of letter from the <orgName ref="org:foreign_office">Foreign Office</orgName> for
consideration, and promoting the withdrawal of a force sent to the
colony to execute public works projects.
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