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                Minutes (8), Other documents (3).</p>

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<persName ref="prs:murdoch_twc">Murdoch</persName> and <persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers</persName> to <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">Merivale</persName> (Permanent Under-Secretary)
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">2978, CO 305/15, p. 289; received 17 March
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
Emigration Office
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1860-03-17">17 March 1860</date>
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<p>
We have to acknowledge your letter of <date when="1860-03-08">8<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> instant</date>, enclosing a letter
from the Governor of the <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudsons Bay Company</orgName> on the subject of the
payment to be made to the Company during the present year, on account
of the amount which will be due to them on the resumption of
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouvers Island</placeName> by the Crown.
</p>
<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></fw>
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<p>
2. <persName ref="prs:berens_hh">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Berens</persName> expresses some disappointment that the claim of the
Company against the Crown being upwards of £40,000, it should not be
proposed to pay during the present year more than £25,000. But he
announces his intention to receive that amount on account, and to
give the Governor of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Van Couvers Island</placeName> the necessary authority to
make grants of Land, on the understanding that such grants are not to
embrace any of the Lands claimed by the Company.
</p>
<p>
3. In respect to the amount <pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00291r.jpg"/>to be repaid immediately to the company
it is only necessary to observe, that we suggested the sum of £25,000
because the account of expenditure on public works &amp;c had only been
furnished to the end of <date when="1857">1857</date>, and because it was known that
subsequent accounts had been received, and our Accountant, on his
inspection of the Company's books, cursory as it was, saw reason to
believe that subsequent transactions have thrown the balance in favor
of, instead of against, the Crown. It appeared to us better to limit
the immediate payment within what <pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00291v.jpg"/>under any circumstances would
probably be shown to be due to the Company, than to pay a larger sum
of which a portion might have to be hereafter recovered. If the
Company are now prepared to furnish complete accounts of the
expenditure on public works &amp;c, we are aware of no reason why the
accounts should not be at once closed.
</p>
<p>
4. In regard to the authority conveyed to the Governor to grant
land, the reservation of all lands <pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00292r.jpg"/>claimed by the Company, the
validity of which claim is now we believe under legal investigation,
appears reasonable.
</p>
<p>
5. With reference to a claim for interest on "advances" put forward
in <persName ref="prs:berens_hh">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Beren</persName>'s letter of <date when="1859-01-23">23<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">rd</hi> January last</date>, on which further
information was requested, <persName ref="prs:berens_hh">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Berens</persName> states that the advances in
question were such as were considered necessary for the purpose of
the Government of the Colony, and that, so far as is known to the
Company, they were never made except on the pressing <pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00292v.jpg"/>demand of the
Governor. It appears to us that before this claim is decided on it
will be necessary to have some more specific statement of the
advances in question and the dates and occasions on which they were
made—in order that, if it should appear advisable, the Governor may
be consulted as to the validity of the claim.
</p>
<p>
6. In conclusion <persName ref="prs:berens_hh">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Berens</persName> points out that the sum due to the
Company on accounts already furnished is £40.289.19.9, and claims for
the Company interest <pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00293r.jpg"/>on the difference between that sum and the
£25,000 about to be paid them, on the ground that the delay is in
order to meet the public convenience. This claim does not appear to
us tenable. The accounts furnished by the Company are not in a form
to allow their immediate settlement—since until they are completed
it is impossible to ascertain whether any and what balance will be
due to the Company beyond the sum now to be paid them. The delay,
therefore, is caused by the incompleteness of these <pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00293v.jpg"/>accounts and not
by any consideration of public convenience. As far as the public is
concerned it would, we apprehend, be more convenient to discharge the
whole debt at once and obtain in consequence the retransfer of
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouvers Island</placeName>. But Her Majesty's Government have no power to
accelerate the rendering of the Company's accounts and are not,
therefore, in any way responsible for the delay.
</p>
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We have etc.
<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:murdoch_twc">T.W.C. Murdoch</persName>
<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Frederic Rogers</persName>
<lb/>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:merivale_h">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Merivale</persName><lb/>
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<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>
<date when="1860-03-19">
19 March
</date>
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<ab>
I think the best course will now be to write direct to the Governor
enclosing extracts of so much of this correspondence as is necessary
to elucidate the subject: &amp; directing him to proceed without delay to
the sale of land as soon as he receives authority from the <orgName ref="org:hbc">HBC</orgName> in
accordance with their undertaking: &amp; to submit this desp. to the
Company before it goes. Perhaps the L<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi> &amp; Em. Com<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">s</hi>
would have the kindness to draft the necessary despatch.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:merivale_h">HM</persName>
<date when="1860-03-19">
M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">h</hi> 19
</date>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:fortescue">CF</persName>
<date when="1860-03-20">
20
</date>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:newcastle">N</persName>
<date when="1860-03-22">
22
</date>
</signed>
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<div type="minute_entry"><pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00295r.jpg"/>
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<ab><hi style="text-align: center; text-decoration: underline;">The public lands in <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName></hi>
</ab>

<ab>
See <persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Blackwood</persName>'s note on the margin of this draft. It is certain
that we cannot send out the despatch announcing a payment of £25000
to the Hudson's Bay C<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">oy</hi> nor communicate that despatch to the Company
itself without obtaining the concurrence of <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName>. They were
asked for it in our letter of the <date when="1860-02-29">29 February</date>. I do not know
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what more can be done than to draw their attention officially to that
letter, and request to be favored with their Lordships' decision.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1860-03-31">
31 March
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
Write again to <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName>?
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:fortescue">CF</persName>
<date when="1860-04-02">
April 2
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<div type="minute_entry">
<ab>
Yes.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:newcastle">N</persName>
<date when="1860-04-05">
5
</date>
</signed>
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<div type="other_entry"><pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00296r.jpg"/>
<ab>
Draft, <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">Elliot</persName> to <persName ref="prs:hamilton_ga">G.A. Hamilton</persName>, Treasury, <date when="1860-04-12">12 April 1860</date>, asking
for an answer to their letter of 29 February.
</ab>
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<div type="other_entry"><div><pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00297r.jpg"/>
<ab>
Draft, <orgName ref="org:colonial_office">Colonial Office</orgName> to <persName ref="prs:berens_hh">H. Berens</persName>, <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudson's Bay Company</orgName>, <date when="1860-05-05">5 May
1860</date>, forwarding copy of proposed draft reply to the governor.
</ab>
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<div type="minute_entry">
<ab>
This may now proceed? Vide Ty/4143.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:irving_ht">HTI</persName>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
</signed>
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<head>
*
</head>
<div type="other_entry"><div><pb facs="co_305_15/co_305_15_00298r.jpg"/>
<ab>
Draft reply, <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, No. 26, <date when="1860-06-28">28 June 1860</date>
(extensive revisions).
</ab>
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<div type="minutes">
<div type="minute_entry">
<ab>
<persName ref="prs:fortescue">M<hi style="text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Fortescue</persName><lb/>
This draft has been prepared by <persName ref="prs:murdoch_twc">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Murdoch</persName>, at <persName ref="prs:merivale_h">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Merivale</persName>'s
request.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1860-03-28">
28 March
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
I think this is quite right.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:fortescue">CF</persName>
<date when="1860-03-29">
29
</date>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:newcastle">N</persName>
<date when="1860-03-30">
30
</date>
</signed>
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