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<persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers (Permanent Under-Secretary)</persName>
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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Public Offices document. 
                Minutes (3), Other documents (1).</p>
<p style="font-style: italic;">This document contains mentions of Indigenous Peoples. The authors of these documents often perpetuate a negative perspective of Indigenous Peoples and it is important to look critically at these mentions. They sometimes use terminology that is now considered hurtful and offensive.  To learn more about modern terminology pertaining to Indigenous Peoples, Indigenous ways of knowing, and decolonization, please refer to the <ref target="cdc:glossaryIP">Glossary of terms</ref>.</p>
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<name type="ip" subtype="group"><persName ref="prs:walcott_s">Walcott</persName> sends the <orgName ref="org:colonial_office">Colonial Office</orgName> a lengthy response
to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>'s request for <q>an advance of £3000 from the Imperial Government for the purpose of
extinguishing the native Title to certain lands [on <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName>].</q>
He explains that <q>extinguishing the native Title</q> is solely the colony's responsibility and recommends that it raise a
loan to do so. The minutes reflect the <orgName ref="org:colonial_office">Colonial Office</orgName> staff's frustration with
<persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>'s unwillingness to resolve the problem. <persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">Blackwood</persName> writes
<q>the reason why the Governor finds it difficult…is simply because the Legislature is unwilling to tax the Community
sufficiently for the purpose.</q> <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">Elliot</persName> adds that <q>Two things appear to me equally clear,
1<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">st</hi> That the land ought to be purchased, and 2<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">nd,</hi>
That it ought not to be done by English money or by English credit.</q> <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName> agrees,
complaining that <q>it is miserable work to see the Colony objecting to pay so small a sum for an object at once essential
to their interests and purely Colonial in its character.</q></name> 
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Emigration Office
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<head>
<persName ref="prs:walcott_s">Walcott</persName> to <persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers</persName> (Permanent Under-Secretary)
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">8941, CO 305/18, p. 208; received 5 October
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
Emigration Office
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1861-10-04">4 October 1861</date>
</opener>
<p>
I have to acknowledge your Letter of the <date when="1861-09-28">28<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> ultimo</date>, on the
subject of the application from the Governor of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Van Couvers Island</placeName> for an advance of £3000 from the Imperial Government for
the purpose of extinguishing <name type="ip" subtype="group">the native Title</name><!-- LILS refers to title not to group --> to certain lands
in the Colony.
</p>
<p>
The circumstances of the<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">case</fw><pb facs="co_305_18/co_305_18_00209v.jpg"/> case and the importance and practical
economy of extinguishing the aboriginal title on the lands in
question as early as possible, are fully set forth in <persName ref="prs:murdoch_twc">Mr
Murdoch</persName>'s report of the <date when="1861-06-12">12<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> of June</date> last, who recommended that
the application should be submitted to the Lords Commissioners
of <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName>, as the only question which appeared to remain
open was the source from which the money should in the first
instance be obtained.
</p>
<p>
3. From <persName ref="prs:peel_f">Mr Peel</persName>'s letter of the <date when="1861-09-25">25<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> ultimo</date> which accompanies
your Letter it appears that the<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Lords</fw><pb facs="co_305_18/co_305_18_00210r.jpg"/> Lords Commissioners of the
Treasury to whom the matter had been submitted, are not prepared
to purchase up <name type="ip" subtype="group">the native Title</name><!-- LILS refers to title not to a group --> at the expense of this Country,
and do not view the present application as one for a loan, since
the House of Assembly had asserted the liability of the Home
Government to bear the charge of extinguishing the Title. Their
Lordships moreover consider that the Governor's best course
would be to follow his previous practice of purchasing <name type="ip" subtype="group">the
native rights</name><!-- LILS refers to rights not to a group --> over such land only as was immediately required
for settlement, and not<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">on</fw><pb facs="co_305_18/co_305_18_00210v.jpg"/> on so large a scale at once as to
require that a loan should be raised for the purpose.
</p>
<p>
4. The Governor has however explained, in his Despatch of the
<date when="1861-03-25">25<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> of March</date>, his inability to continue <name type="ip" subtype="group">the practice of
purchasing the Native title</name>, and
the great difficulty he experiences
in raising sufficient money to defray the most indispensable
wants of his Government. As the matter therefore stands the
Colony cannot provide the required sum, and the Home Government
declines to make a grant of it. The result<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">will</fw><pb facs="co_305_18/co_305_18_00211r.jpg"/> will be that the
opportunity will be lost of <name type="ip" subtype="group">extinguishing the Native Title</name><!-- LILS refers to title not to group --> on
very moderate terms, and that faith cannot be kept with the
persons to whom the Government sold the land 3 years ago without
endangering the peace of the Country.
</p>
<p>
5. The only alternative which seems left, that offers a
prospect of solving the difficulty, is that the Governor should
be invested by the Local Legislature with full powers to raise a
loan on the best terms he can, on the security of the land and
general<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Revenues</fw><pb facs="co_305_18/co_305_18_00211v.jpg"/> Revenues of the Colony. This security, and distinct
admission of Colonial liability, may probably remove the
objection of <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> (which I understand is not so much to
a loan as to a grant) to guarantee so small a sum as £3000—or
if not some capitalist may be found willing to lend it on terms
which, looking at the object to be attained, it may be well
worth the Colony's while to give.
</p>
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I have etc.
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<persName ref="prs:walcott_s">S. Walcott</persName>
<lb/>
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<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName><lb/>
The reason why the Governor finds it difficult to get money for
the service of the <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Van C. Island</placeName> is simply because the
Legislature is unwilling to tax the Community sufficiently for
the purpose. Free trade prevailing there, &amp; Custom House
Officers being unknown—whilst the proportion of taxable
persons is very small—it is doubtless a source of embarassment
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how to raise funds so as to make every body contribute his just
share towards the expenses of the public service. [But I?]
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suppose that difficulty may be overcome at <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Van C. I.</placeName> as it has
been in other places. In this particular case there can be no
question that the Land fund of the Colony is the primary source
to which the community must look for guaranteeing the loan which
is wanted for the extinction of <name type="ip" subtype="group">the Indian Titles</name><!-- LILS refers to Indian title not to group -->, or if the
Land Fund is inadequate then recourse must be had as <persName ref="prs:walcott_s">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Walcott</persName>
suggests, to the general revenue of the Colony.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
<date when="1861-10-05">
5 Oct<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
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<ab>
Two things appear to me equally clear, 1<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">st</hi> That the land ought
to be purchased, and 2<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">nd,</hi> That it ought not to be done by
English money or by English credit. The Colonists cannot be
suffered to cast their own proper duties and burthens on the
English Tax payer, and the way to prevent it is by steadily
refusing to grant them one or the other. <orgName ref="org:treasury">The Treasury</orgName> seems to
me perfectly right. I<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">should</fw><pb facs="co_305_18/co_305_18_00213r.jpg"/> should recommend a despatch to the
Governor, agreeing in the great importance of losing no time in
purchasing the Title; I should point out that it is a purely
Colonial Interest and should inform him that the Legislature
must not indulge any expectation that the British Taxpayer will
be burthened to supply the funds, or British Credit be pledged
for the purpose; I should earnestly recommend therefore that
they should enable the Governor to procure the requisite means,
but should say that if they do not think it proper to do so,
they must be deemed the best judges of their own affairs, and
that this Country cannot supply the deficiency of the small
amount requisite for the service which is so important to the
interests of the people of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver's Island</placeName>.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1861-10-11">
11 Oct
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
I quite agree. It is miserable work to see the Colony objecting
to pay so small a sum for an object at once essential to their
interests and purely Colonial in its character.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:newcastle">N</persName>
<date when="1861-10-12">
12
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
Draft reply, <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName> to <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Douglas</persName>, No. 73, <date when="1861-10-19">19 October 1861</date>,
informing him that <q>extinguishing the Indian title</q> on <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> was the colony's responsibility.
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