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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Public Offices document. 
                Minutes (2), Enclosures (untranscribed) (1).</p>

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<persName ref="prs:berens_hh">Berens</persName> writes <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName> outlining the <orgName ref="org:hbc">HBC</orgName>'s position concerning the conflict between
the <orgName ref="org:hbc">company</orgName> and the government over ownership of land in <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName>.
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<persName ref="prs:berens_hh"><surname>Berens</surname>, <forename>Henry</forename> <forename>Hulse</forename></persName>
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Hudson's Bay House
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London
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<persName ref="prs:berens_hh">Berens</persName> to <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Newcastle</persName>
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">11769, CO 305/19, p. 518; received 4 December
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
Hudson's Bay House
</addrLine>
<addrLine>
<placeName ref="plc:london">London</placeName>
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1862-12-02">2 December 1862</date>
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<p>
I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of <persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Under-Secretary
Elliot</persName>'s letter of the <date when="1861-11-15">15<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> ultimo</date> relative to the suggestion of <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Governor Douglas</persName> that the Government under the arrangement made with
this Company in <date when="1862-02">February last</date> did not take the benefit of a single
acre under the reservation to them of the unsold portion of the lands
in question and suggesting that, from the absence of any plans or
maps being attached to the Agreement and from its<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">very</fw><pb facs="co_305_19/co_305_19_00523v.jpg"/> very skilful
wording the <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudsons Bay Company</orgName> so far from making any Concessions to
the Government had obtained from the Crown almost the whole of the
very small portion of ground not covered by buildings actually and
for years past in the possession of the Government and to which the
Company in the Governors Opinion had no sound claim.
</p>
<p>
In my communication to Your Grace of the <date when="1862-11-03">3<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">rd</hi> ultimo</date> I purposely avoided noticing the insinuation conveyed by this communication on
the part of the Governor against <persName ref="prs:dallas">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Dallas</persName> because I attributed it to the illfeeling<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">which</fw><pb facs="co_305_19/co_305_19_00524r.jpg"/> which appears to subsist between those parties and
because I was aware that the Governor himself was in possession of
land which under the Agreement between this Company and the
Government <persName ref="prs:dallas">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Dallas</persName> considered should pass to them: and I was
therefore unwilling to give rise to a discussion which was likely to
lead to unpleasantness without the prospect of any useful result.
</p>
<p>
At the time the agreement in question was entered into there were no
means, that I am aware of in this Country of ascertaining precisely
what then constituted the extent of the unsold lands, and I have no
reason<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">to</fw><pb facs="co_305_19/co_305_19_00524v.jpg"/> to believe that <persName ref="prs:dallas">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Dallas</persName> possessed any more information upon the subject than was possessed by the Representatives of the
Government.
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<p>
I think it better however to send your Grace herewith the particulars
of the Lots which the Company's Agent proposed should be conveyed to
the Government and as observed in my letter to Your Grace of the <date when="1862-11-03">3<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">rd</hi>
ultimo</date> the only doubt which appeared to exist on the part of the
Colonial Secretary in the Island as to the accuracy of these plans
was in reference to the Harbour Masters Lot.
</p>
<p>
I really am not aware<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">that</fw><pb facs="co_305_19/co_305_19_00525r.jpg"/> that I can add anything more on the subject
further than that this Company are desirous to carry out in its
integrity the arrangement come to in <date when="1862-02">February last</date>.
</p>
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I have the honor to be,<lb/>
My Lord Duke,<lb/>
Your Grace's very obedient<lb/>
humble Servant,<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:berens_hh">H.H. Berens</persName>
<lb/>
<choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice>
<lb/>
<lb/>
Enclosures. Six plans numbered 1,2,3,4,5 and 6.

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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Sir F. Rogers</persName><lb/>
Communicate to the L &amp; E Commrs for their Report in the first
instance?
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>
<date when="1862-12-04">
4 Dec<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
</signed>
<signed><persName ref="prs:rogers_f">FR</persName>
<date when="1862-12-04">
4/12
</date>
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<ab>
At once.
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<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:fortescue">CF</persName>
<date when="1862-12-08">
8
</date>
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<ab>
Six sketch maps, each with written explanation and dated <date when="1862-07-29">29 July 1862</date>, as follows:
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<lb/>
No. 1 Harbor Masters Office
<lb/>
No. 2 Police Barrack and Prison Lot
<lb/>
No. 3 Post Office Lot
<lb/>
No. 4 Public Park, School Reserve
<lb/>
No. 5 Church Reserve, Parsonage, Public Cemetery
<lb/>
No. 6 Government Offices
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