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<author><persName ref="prs:palmer_r">Palmer</persName> and <persName ref="prs:collier">Collier</persName></author>
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<persName ref="prs:cardwell">Cardwell</persName>
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<publicationStmt><p>Published by Jim Hendrickson and the University of Victoria.</p>
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<profileDesc><abstract><p>Public Offices document. 
                Minutes (4), Other documents (1).</p>

<p><persName ref="prs:palmer_r">Palmer</persName> and <persName ref="prs:collier">Collier</persName> respond to <persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Rogers</persName>' request for information as to whether the Governor of a colony must assent to a bill <q>before the expiration of the Session, within which such Bill was passed.</q> <persName ref="prs:palmer_r">Palmer</persName> and <persName ref="prs:collier">Collier</persName> explain that they are <q>not aware of any limit, within which the Governor's assent must necessarily be given.</q></p>
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<persName ref="prs:collier"><surname>Collier</surname>, <forename>R.</forename> <forename>P.</forename></persName>
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Lincolns Inn
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<text><body><div type="public_offices">
<head>
Palmer and Collier to Cardwell
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">3287, CO 305/27, p. 89; received 6 April
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
Lincolns Inn
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1865-04-06">April 6<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> 1865</date>
<salute>Sir,</salute>
</opener>
<p>
We are honored with your commands, signified in <persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Sir Frederic Rogers</persName>'
letter of the <date when="1865-03-20">20<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> of March, ultimo</date>, stating that he was directed by
you to request that we would take into consideration the following
circumstances.
</p>
<p>
A doubt has arisen, in <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName>, whether the Governor can
give his assent to<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">a</fw><pb facs="co_305_27/co_305_27_00090v.jpg"/> a Bill passed by the Legislative Council and
Assembly, after the expiration of the Legislative Session.
</p>
<p>
That the present Legislature of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> was constituted
under Letters Patent of <date when="1851-05-16">16<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> May 1851</date>, being the Commission of the
then Governor—now <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Sir James Douglas</persName>, modified, in certain respects,
by other Letters Patent of <date when="1852-10-08">8<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> October, 1862</date>. That, on the
revocation of these Letters Patent, provisions to the same effect
were included in the Commission of the present Governor, <persName ref="prs:kennedy_a">Captain
Kennedy</persName>, of which a copy was enclosed. That that Commission provides
for the constitution of a Legislative Council, and the<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">convening</fw><pb facs="co_305_27/co_305_27_00091r.jpg"/> convening of a
Legislative Assembly, and empowers the Governor, with their consent,
to make laws for the peace &amp;c.
</p>
<p>
That similar legislative Bodies are established in other Colonies,
sometimes by Letters Patent, sometimes by Act of Parliament, or local
Law. But neither in the Letters Patent constituting the Council of
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName>, nor (it is believed) in the Instructions
establishing any other Colonial Legislature, is any express provision
made for limiting the time within which the Governor may assent, on
behalf of Her Majesty, to a Bill passed by the Legislature.
</p>
<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">That</fw><pb facs="co_305_27/co_305_27_00091v.jpg"/>
<p>
That, in some small Colonies, legislation is effected, not by a single
Annual Session but by summoning the legislature
<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">pro re natâ</hi>, as Laws are wanted.
</p>
<p>
<persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Sir Frederic Rogers</persName> was further pleased to state, that, under these
circumstances, you desired to be informed, whether, in <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver
Island</placeName>, and other Colonies possessing Representative Legislatures,
the assent of the Governor to any Bill, passed by such a Legislature,
must, in the absence of any express Legislative provision, be given
before the expiration of the Session, within which such Bill was
passed: and in case this necessity does<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">not</fw><pb facs="co_305_27/co_305_27_00092r.jpg"/> not exist, whether there is
any limit, and, if so, what limit, to the period within which such
assent must be given?
</p>
<p>
In obedience to Your commands, we have taken this matter into
consideration, and have the honor to
<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">Report</hi>,
</p>
<p><hi style="text-decoration: underline;">That</hi> we do not think it is necessary, that the assent of the
Governor to any Bill, passed by such a Legislature as is supposed by
the question, should be given before the expiration of the Session,
within which such Bill was passed. If, indeed, it were provided by
the Constitution of any such Legislature, that the law and custom of
the British<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Parliament</fw><pb facs="co_305_27/co_305_27_00092v.jpg"/> Parliament should, as far as practicable, be observed
therein, the point might admit of more question: but we conceive it
to be certin, that, when Bills passed by such Colonial Legislatures
are reserved for the signification of Her Majesty's pleasure thereon,
the Royal assent need not be given, and generally is not given, during
the Session in which the bill is passed: so that the usage, in such
cases, is generally different from that of the British Parliament.
</p>
<p>
We are not aware of any limit, within which the Governor's assent
must necessarily be given to a law passed by such a Colonial
Legislature, and not<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">revoked</fw><pb facs="co_305_27/co_305_27_00093r.jpg"/> revoked or altered by any subsequent legislation.
</p>
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We have the honor to be,<lb/>
Sir,<lb/>
Your most obedient<lb/>
humble Servants<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:palmer_r">Roundell Palmer</persName>
<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:collier">R.P. Collier</persName>

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<persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Sir F. Rogers</persName><lb/>
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
<date when="1865-04-06">
6 April
</date>
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I think that the <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice> may now be authorized to assent to the Act.
</ab>
<p>
On second thoughts however I am not sure that it might not be
advisable to remove any doubt as to the meaning of the 2<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">nd</hi> clause
(vide <persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Blackwood</persName>s final note).
</p>
<p>
I would write that <persName ref="prs:cardwell">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Cardwell</persName> <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> now proceed to the selection of a
Judge—that the Royal Warrant auth<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">g</hi> the appointment of that
functionary <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> authorize his app<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">nt</hi> only during pleasure, &amp; that it
m<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi> perhaps be advisable having reference to the peculiar wording
of the Law, to enact expressly that nothing contained in it <choice><abbr>sh<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>should</expan></choice> give
him any greater interest in his office than during HMs pleasure.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:rogers_f">FR</persName>
<date when="1865-04-11">
11/4
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
Then to <persName ref="prs:parker_cs">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Parker</persName> as to the Patronage.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:cardwell">EC</persName>
<date when="1865-04-12">
12
</date>
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<ab>
Draft reply, <persName ref="prs:cardwell">Cardwell</persName> to <persName ref="prs:kennedy_a">Kennedy</persName>, No. 21, <date when="1865-04-17">17 April 1865</date>.
</ab>
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<div type="minute_entry">
<ab>
Returned to <choice><abbr>D<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Department</expan></choice> too late for Mail of <date when="1865-04-15">15<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> April</date>.<lb/>
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
</signed>
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