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Murdoch to Elliot (Assistant Under-Secretary)
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<opener><ref type="co_ref">11971, CO 305/30, p. 183; received 19 December
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<address><addrLine>
<orgName ref="org:emigration_office">Emigration Board</orgName>
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<date when="1866-12-18">18<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> December 1866</date>
<salute>Sir,</salute>
</opener>
<p>
 I have to acknowledge your letter of <date when="1866-12-04">4<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> inst</date>, with a despatch
 from the Governor of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> enclosing, with other
documents, a report from a Board of Officers whom he had appointed
to consider the Draft reconveyance of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> to the
Crown, which was prepared in this Country and transmitted to the
Colonial Government for their consideration. The Board consisted
of the Colonial<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00181v.jpg"/> Secretary—the Acting Attorney General—the Acting
Surveyor General and the Registrar General.
</p>
<p>
2. In transmitting the Draft reconveyance to the <persName ref="prs:cardwell">Governor M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
Secretary Cardwell</persName>, while directing him to see that the Map to be
attached to the Deed was not so drawn as to confer on the Company
any advantage not intended by the Government, impressed on him "the
expediency of not raising any question which would unnecessarily
delay a settlement" of the matter. Acting on the former part of
this instruction the Board of Officers proceed to reargue three of
the questions which have been so much<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00182r.jpg"/>
 debated between the Colonial
Authorities and the <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudson's Bay Company</orgName> during the last 4 years.
Those questions are—
</p>
<p>
 First—the Sale of a portion of <placeName ref="plc:beacon_hill">Beacon Hill Park</placeName>, through an error 
in running its Western boundary.
</p>
<p>
Second—the sale of a portion of the foreshore on the South side of
<placeName ref="plc:james_bay">James Bay</placeName>—and
</p>
<p>
Third—The sale of lot Z.
</p>
<p>
3. The general argument put forward by the Board of Officers in
each case is, that the sale of the land was inconsistent with the
plan on which the Town of <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName> was laid out by the Company, as
shown on the Map<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00182v.jpg"/> of <date when="1858">1858</date>—that the Map was recognized by the
Company as "official"—their deeds of conveyance referring to it
under that Title and containing no other description of the land
conveyed—that consequently it formed a contract between the
Company and the public—and could not, therefore, be set aside
"without the consent of all parties concerned." If this argument
were good it would be conclusive, since the Map of <date when="1858">1858</date>, of which a
copy was published in <date when="1861">1861</date>, undoubtedly sets out the Land in the
manner maintained by the Board of Officers. But I apprehend that
according to the opinion of<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00183r.jpg"/> the <orgName ref="org:law_officers">Law Officers</orgName> of the Crown of <date when="1865-07-26">26<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi>
July 1865</date>, that Map did not constitute such a dedication of the
Land in question as would divest the Company of their right to deal
with it and that the Indenture of <date when="1862-02">Febry 1862</date> must be held to
validate all sales made by the Company, previous to it's date, so
far as the Crown is concerned.
</p>
<p>
4. But passing from this general question, it is alleged, in
respect to the sale of part of the <placeName ref="plc:beacon_hill">public Park</placeName> that it took place
not designedly, but by an error of the person employed to run the
Boundary. This is admitted by <persName ref="prs:dallas">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Dallas</persName> who moreover alleged that
the error<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00183v.jpg"/> originated in the Colonial Land Office, and was
discovered &amp; rectified by himself. The Board on the other hand
state that the error was committed by <persName ref="prs:tiedemann">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Tiedemann</persName>, who although
he had been employed temporarily in the Land Office, was at the
time on leave from that office and was employed by the Hudson's Bay
C<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> and that it was while so employed in laying out their land that
 he encroached by mistake on the <placeName ref="plc:beacon_hill">public Park</placeName>. The extent of land
 cut off from the <placeName ref="plc:beacon_hill">Park</placeName> is stated to be 3 1/2 Acres and the price
paid to the Company for it 1700 dollars. As it is not in a
position in which it would<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00184r.jpg"/> have been much used by the Public, and
no public inconvenience results, therefore, from the sale, the
Board are satisfied with recommending that the Company should be
required to refund the amount received for this land. This appears
to me no more than reasonable. Whether the error was made by <persName ref="prs:tiedemann">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
 Tiedemann</persName> while in the service of the Land department or of the
Company is not, I think, essential. It is admitted by the Company
that the land in question formed part of the <placeName ref="plc:beacon_hill">Park</placeName> which had been
assigned to the Public, and that the sale of it was the consequence
of a<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00184v.jpg"/> mistake. But if so it follows that the price realized by the
sale ought to belong to the party to whom the land belonged—that
is to the Public. I would suggest that as regards this case the
course recommended by the Board should be adopted, and the company
be requested to refund the amount received for the Land.
</p>
<p>
5. Second in respect to the water frontage on the South side of
<placeName ref="plc:james_bay">James Bay</placeName>, the Board, besides appealing as has been said to the map
 of <date when="1858">1858</date>, allege that most of the lots were sold for inadequate
consideration to servants of the company. But if, as the Law<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00185r.jpg"/>
Officers state, the Crown cannot after all that has passed dispute
the right of the Company to regard the land of which they were in
possession before <date when="1849">1849</date> as absolutely their own, it has clearly no
right to question the manner in which they disposed of that land.
The sales in question were all made previous to <date when="1862">1862</date>, and came
 therefore within the scope of the Indenture of <date when="1862-02">Febry 1862</date>. The
Committee recommend that the Crown should not part with these
foreshore rights. But the Indenture of <date when="1862">1862</date> expressly includes the
water frontage and spaces between high and low water mark sold by
the Company<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00185v.jpg"/> among the sales which it recognizes. The Crown is,
therefore, precluded from taking the course suggested by the Board
of Officers in this respect.
</p>
<p>
 6. Thirdly—the question of the sale of lot Z to <persName ref="prs:lowenberg">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Lowenburg
 [Lowenberg]</persName> had been so repeatedly under consideration that there
is but little new to be said about it. The Board repeat their
conviction, from their personal knowledge, that Lot Z formed part
of the Government reserve at the time it was sold to <persName ref="prs:lowenberg">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Lowenburg</persName>.
<persName ref="prs:young_wag">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Young</persName> the Colonial Secretary, in a Memorandum addressed to the
Governor which the Board<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00186r.jpg"/> append to their report, states, that he is
prepared to declare on oath that when he purchased from the Company
certain lots of land, in rear of lot Z, in <date when="1860-01">Janry 1860</date>, the boundary
line of the Government reserve on the Map exhibited to him formed
one side of the Street, and corresponded with the corner posts
placed there in <date when="1858">1858</date>, which he had himself seen on the ground both
 before and after the sale to <persName ref="prs:lowenberg">Lowenburg</persName>. He distinctly denies the
statement that Lot Z was fenced off by an ox fence &amp;c, and so
continued till sold to <persName ref="prs:lowenberg">Lowenburg</persName>—and that it was under
cultivation—and alleges that the land that was under cultivation<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00186v.jpg"/>
was on the other side of the Street. And he adds that from the
early part of <date when="1860">1860</date> he was in the habit of passing to and fro
between his office and his residence over the disputed piece of
land, and can assert that "from that date to the time of the sale
to <persName ref="prs:lowenberg">Lowenburg</persName> neither fence, ditch, rails, bank or crops existed. A
drain to carry off the surface water certainly did exist, but in
some cases it had become nearly obliterated, and in others was only
some 6 or 8 inches deep" &amp;c. In support of his statement that Lot
Z formed part of the Government reserve<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00187r.jpg"/> he quotes extracts of
Affidavits made by <persName ref="prs:tiedemann">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Tiedemann</persName> and <persName ref="prs:pemberton_jd">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Pemberton</persName> in <date when="1861-05">May 1861</date>.
The extract from <persName ref="prs:tiedemann">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Tiedemann</persName>'s affidavit is to the effect that
 about midsummer <date when="1858">1858</date> he laid out the Government Reserve, containing
10 Acres or thereabouts, under instructions from the Acting
Colonial Surveyor—that he had examined the 10 Acres so laid out
since the alleged sale to <persName ref="prs:lowenberg">Lowenburg</persName> and finds that the piece of
 land so alleged to have been purchased by <persName ref="prs:lowenberg">Lowenburg</persName> is a portion
of the said 10 Acres &amp;c. <persName ref="prs:pemberton_jd">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Pemberton</persName>'s Affidavit states that he
 instructed <persName ref="prs:tiedemann">Tiedemann</persName> to lay out a reserve of 10 Acres—that he
afterwards<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00187v.jpg"/> examined the lines on the ground and found them [to]
correspond accurately, and that he is informed and believes that
<persName ref="prs:lowenberg">Lowenburg</persName> has purchased a piece of the Land comprized in such
Reserve. <persName ref="prs:young_wag">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Young</persName> assumes that if this evidence on Oath had been
before the <orgName ref="org:law_officers">Law Officers</orgName> they would have given more weight to the
representations of the Colonial Government than of the Hudsons Bay
Company. But on the other hand it is to be observed that <persName ref="prs:young_wag">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
 Young</persName> has omitted a few very essential words used by <persName ref="prs:tiedemann">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Tiedemann</persName>
in describing the manner in which he laid out the Reserve, vizt, by
the extension of the "South line of Section VI" and that the Law
Officers had before them another affidavit made by <persName ref="prs:tiedemann">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00188r.jpg"/> Tiedemann</persName> on
the <date when="1865-06-02">2<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">nd</hi> June 1865</date>, which explains the words I have quoted, and
would very much have modified the effect of the earlier Affidavit
referred to by <persName ref="prs:young_wag">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Young</persName>, even if that Affidavit had been exactly
as he quoted it. In their other Affidavit <persName ref="prs:tiedemann">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Tiedemann</persName> says, that
while engaged in constructing the official map he found that there
were not 10 Acres in the Government Reserve—that on mentioning
this to <persName ref="prs:pemberton_jd">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Pemberton</persName> he was ordered to make up the deficiency by
adding to the Southern side the portion of land now forming lot Z
"which at that time formed part of the Company's hayfields at
Beckley Farm"—that <persName ref="prs:dallas">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Dallas</persName><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00188v.jpg"/> who happened to pass while he was
running the boundary, objected to what he was doing, on the ground
that the land in question belonged to the Company—and that he was
ordered by the Colonial Surveyor to include the land in the
Government reserve, notwithstanding this notice. This affidavit is
also consistent with the evidence given by <persName ref="prs:tiedemann">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Tiedemann</persName> before the
Committee of the House of Assembly in <date when="1863-11">Nov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> 1863</date>, to the effect
that <persName ref="prs:dallas">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Dallas</persName> said that in laying out the Reserve he took away
 some land of his (<persName ref="prs:dallas">Dallas</persName>') farm and that<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00189r.jpg"/> the line of Beckley Farm
ditch and fence would appear on the North side of lot Z.
</p>
<p>
7. The evidence on the subject of lot Z is so conflicting that it
is hopeless to attempt to decide upon it in this Country, or by a
mere comparison of the statements of the several witnesses. Nor is
it I apprehend necessary to attempt now to do so. The <orgName ref="org:law_officers">Law Officers</orgName>
give it as their opinion, that even if lot Z had been dedicated to
public uses, it could have been sold by the <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudsons Bay C<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi></orgName> with
the consent of the Crown—and that assuming the facts to be as
stated in the papers before them—and those facts to have been<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00189v.jpg"/>
known to the Government, the Indenture of <date when="1862-02">Febry 1862</date> operated to
validate the sale, so that it cannot now be questioned by the
Government. That being the case it only remains to consider what
can now be done to remedy the inconvenience which it is said will
accrue to the public from the sale of this lot.
</p>
<p>
8. The Board of Officers, assuming that the sale of the land by
the Company was "unlawful," suggest that the Company should be
required to refund the amount, 1285 dollars, received for it, to be
applied in part payment of its repurchase. This assumption,
however, cannot<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00190r.jpg"/> be maintained, in the face of the opinion of the
<orgName ref="org:law_officers">Law Officers</orgName> of the Crown—and it is certain that the Company would
refuse to admit it. The result would be to postpone indefinitely
the reconveyance of the Island to the Crown to the serious injury
of public interests.
</p>
<p>
9. But it is said the Government might put a pressure on the
Company in this matter, by making it a condition of the exchange of
a certain lot in Fort Street which, by a mistake on the part of <persName ref="prs:dallas">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
 Dallas</persName>, was inserted in the indenture of <date when="1862-02">Febry 1862</date> for a lot in
Broughton Street. The mistake was so evident that the <persName ref="prs:newcastle">Duke of
Newcastle</persName> consented to<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00190v.jpg"/> its rectification as part of the general
arrangement. It would hardly, I think, be becoming in the
Government now to take advantage of that mistake in the manner
suggested by the Board of Officers, and the attempt to do so would
naturally lead to strong remonstrances from the Company and
continued delay. I cannot therefore, recommend the adoption of
that course.
</p>
<p>
10. I have already suggested that the <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudson's Bay C<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi></orgName> should be
called on to refund the amount received for the portion of the
<placeName ref="plc:beacon_hill">public Park</placeName> erroneously sold<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00191r.jpg"/> for their benefit, amounting to 1700
dollars. That sum when recovered might be applied towards the
repurchase of Lot Z. Lot Z has been recently valued on appeal to
the Court of the Real Estate Assessed Tax at 2000 dollars. Its
saleable value is probably more, but whatever it may be the balance
beyond the above 1700 dollars must be provided out of Colonial
Funds. It will, I presume, be necessary to obtain an Act of the
Legislature giving the Crown the usual powers of compulsory purchase
in respect to this Lot—but there is no reason to apprehend any<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00191v.jpg"/>
difficulty on the part of the Legislature in passing such an Act.
</p>
<p>
11. In a Memorandum attached to the report of the Board the
Attorney General expresses an opinion that the proposed Deed of
reconveyance ought to be modified, and ought to be in the form of a
Conveyance of all the <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Island</placeName> excepting the Lands in Town and
Country sold by the <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudsons Bay Company</orgName>, which should be included
in a schedule and set out on a plan to be attached to the Deed.
The Deed was not drawn in it's present form unadvisedly as will be
seen by a reference to the report from this Board of <date when="1866-02-10">10 Febry last</date>,
&amp; as it has been approved by the <orgName ref="org:law_officers">Law Officers</orgName><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00192r.jpg"/> of the Crown in this
country it is scarcely necessary to discuss the point raised by the
Acting Attorney General in the Colony.
</p>
<p>
12. In the Draft as returned from the Colony some alterations have
been suggested by the Colonial Government. They refer to the
description of the lands excepted from reconveyance and appear to
us to raise no question of importance. It would, however, be
necessary that the attention of the <orgName ref="org:hbc">Hudsons Bay Company</orgName> should be
drawn to them before the necessary steps are taken for executing
the reconveyance, should <persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Lord Carnarvon</persName><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00192v.jpg"/> decide, notwithstanding the
remonstrance of the Board of Officers, on proceeding with that measure.
</p>
<closer>
 I have the honor to be,<lb/>
 Sir<lb/>
 Your obedient<lb/>
 humble Servant<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:murdoch_twc">T.W.C. Murdoch</persName>
<lb/>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Sir F. Rogers</persName><lb/>
<persName ref="prs:murdoch_twc">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Murdoch</persName> submits three recommendations on the Report of the
local Board of Officers. 1<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">st</hi> that the <orgName ref="org:hbc">H.B. Company</orgName> should be
required to refund the amount (1700 dollars) realized by the sale
of part of the <placeName ref="plc:beacon_hill">Public Park</placeName>. 2<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">nd</hi> that the Crown should not take
the course suggested by the Board<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00193r.jpg"/> and refuse to confirm the sales
of the Water frontage on <placeName ref="plc:james_bay">James' Bay</placeName>, being precluded from doing so
by the terms of the Indenture of <date when="1862">1862</date>. 3<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">rd</hi> that lot Z (<persName ref="prs:lowenberg">Lowenberg</persName>s
land) should be purchased by the local <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> &amp; that the Sum of 1700
 dollars received from the Company on account of the <placeName ref="plc:beacon_hill">Public Park</placeName>
should be appropriated, as far as it will go, to that purpose—the
balance to be paid from Colonial funds. If these suggestions are
adopted the first step I apprehend will be to communicate the
decision to the <orgName ref="org:hbc">H.B. Company</orgName> &amp; in doing so to call attention to the
red ink alterations in the Indenture?
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>
<date when="1866-12-20">
20 Dec<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
<persName ref="prs:adderley_cb">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Adderley</persName><lb/>
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.C.I.</placeName> was conveyed to the H.B.C., subject, in part to certain
possessory rights—and subject to the duty of governing it &amp; of
applying to public purposes the proceeds of their land sales. This
did not satisfy the world or work well and after a few years, the
possession &amp; <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> of the <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Island</placeName> was resumed by the Crown. By the
terms of the agreement this involved a great settlement of accounts
with the H.B.C. &amp; a reconveyance of this soil of the <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Island</placeName> by them
to the Crown. The Settlement of accounts was effected. The Comp<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi>
originally claimed (I think) some 200,000£. But ultimately the
<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">money</hi> payment was reduced (I think) to some 50,000£ or
60,000£ <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">h</hi></abbr><expan>which</expan></choice> money was paid to the Comp<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi>.
</ab>
<p>
On the reconveyance various knotty questions have arisen—inflamed
to the highest pitch of animosity by the disputes bet<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">n</hi>
<persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Sir James Douglas</persName> the old Agent of the Company &amp; Governor of the
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Island</placeName> and <persName ref="prs:dallas">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Dallas</persName> the new agent of the Comp<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi> who married
<persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Sir J. D</persName>'s daughter. <persName ref="prs:young_wag">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Young</persName> the present Colonial Secretary
 married another daughter of <persName ref="prs:douglas_j">Sir J. Douglas</persName>.
</p>
<p>
I mention this because I conceive that one main object of <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice>
here should be to prevent the public<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00194r.jpg"/> interest being sacrificed,
with the object or the result of protracting these family disputes.
</p>
<p>
Hitherto the effect of these disputes, of the parallel quarrels
between the <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.C.I.</placeName> Legislature &amp; the H.B.C. has been that after
years of controversy the Crown has not yet got its legal title to
the soil of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.C. Island</placeName>. The matter has been pending since <date when="1859-05">May 1859</date>.
</p>
<p>
The Instrument now under cons<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">n</hi> was framed after consultation with
 the <orgName ref="org:law_officers">Law Officers</orgName>, (vide 7205/<date when="1865">1865</date> &amp; 2296/<date when="1866">1866</date>) both as to substance
 &amp; as to form—and was sent to <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.C.I.</placeName> for verification &amp; revision.
</p>
<p>
This is the result. I confess I can only look on the report of the
Board of Officers (with <persName ref="prs:young_wag">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Young</persName> as their head) as a piece of
local hard fighting—obstinacy of men who are too much absorbed in
their own particular points to see that in the settlement of a
large &amp; intricate question<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00194v.jpg"/> mathematical justice in petty disputes
must not be insisted on.
</p>
<p>
I have no doubt that if I had a weeks uninterrupted leisure for
examination I <choice><abbr>sh<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>should</expan></choice> be able to prove to <persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Lord Carnarvon</persName> conclusively,
that strict justice could not be in all respects secured without
sending out a Commission of impartial Lawyers from England to take
evidence on oath first there &amp; then here. But I do not think such
a conclusion <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> help us much.
</p>
<p>
I think that as in the opinion of the Emig<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">n</hi> Comm<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">rs</hi> the question
is now reduced to one of 1700$ say
400£—<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">It <choice><abbr>sh<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>should</expan></choice> be settled</hi>—by getting the money if we
can—by yielding it if we cannot.
</p>
<p>
 I would therefore state that <persName ref="prs:carnarvon">L<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi> C.</persName> concurred in the conclusions
of the Comm<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">rs</hi> &amp; <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00195r.jpg"/> request them to communicate with the H.B.C.
accordingly. They have for the most part negotiated the matter
with <persName ref="prs:maynard">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Maynard</persName> the Comp<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">y</hi> solicitor.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:rogers_f">FR</persName>
<date when="1866-12-21">
21/12
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
I agree.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:adderley_cb">CBA</persName>
<date when="1866-12-22">
22/12
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
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<ab>
This is all, as it seems to me, that can be done.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:carnarvon">C</persName>
<date when="1866-12-26">
26 Dec
</date>
</signed>
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<ab>
<orgName ref="org:colonial_office">Colonial Office</orgName> to Emigration Commissioners, <date when="1867-01-02">2 January 1867</date>,
 advising that <persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Carnarvon</persName> concurs in their conclusions with respect
to the report received from the colony, and asking that such
opinion be communicated to the company.
</ab>
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<ab>
See <persName ref="prs:rogers_f">Sir F. Rogers</persName>' Minute on 10971.<lb/>
</ab>
<closer><signed>[<persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>]
</signed>
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