<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<?xml-model href="../schemas/coldesp.rng" type="application/xml" schematypens="http://relaxng.org/ns/structure/1.0"?>
<?xml-model href="../schemas/coldesp.rng" type="application/xml" schematypens="http://purl.oclc.org/dsdl/schematron"?>
<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xml:id="V665WA01"><!-- WL 20-August-2018 marking up doc --><!-- GL, March 2019, PB tags -->

<teiHeader>
<fileDesc><titleStmt><title><persName ref="prs:pakenham_w"><surname>Pakenham</surname>, <forename>William</forename></persName> to <persName ref="prs:adderley_cb"><surname>Adderley</surname>, <forename>Charles</forename> <forename>Bowyer</forename></persName> 21 November 1866, CO 305:30, no. 11134, 128.</title>
<author><persName ref="prs:pakenham_w">Longford</persName></author>
<respStmt><resp>addressee</resp>
<persName ref="prs:adderley_cb">Under-Secretary of State</persName>
</respStmt>
</titleStmt>
<publicationStmt><p>Published by Jim Hendrickson and the University of Victoria.</p>
</publicationStmt><notesStmt><note xml:id="V665WA01_citation"><bibl><persName ref="prs:pakenham_w"><surname>Pakenham</surname>, <forename>William</forename></persName> to <persName ref="prs:adderley_cb"><surname>Adderley</surname>, <forename>Charles</forename> <forename>Bowyer</forename></persName> 21 November 1866, CO 305:30, no. 11134, 128.<title level="m">The Colonial Despatches of Vancouver Island and British Columbia 1846-1871</title>, Edition 2.6, ed. James Hendrickson and the Colonial Despatches project. Victoria, B.C.: University of Victoria. <ref target="V665WA01.html">https://bcgenesis.uvic.ca/V665WA01.html</ref>.
                    </bibl></note></notesStmt>
<sourceDesc><bibl><idno type="archivalId">CO 305:30</idno>
<idno type="repository">CO</idno>
<idno type="coNumber">305</idno>
<idno type="coVol">30</idno>
<idno type="coRegistration">11134</idno>
<idno type="page">128</idno>
<series>V.I.</series>
<date when="1866-11-21" type="sent">1866</date>
<date type="received" when="1866-11-22">received 22 November</date>
<biblScope type="startPageImage" facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00128r.jpg">co_305_30_00128r.jpg</biblScope>
<note>Transcribed from microfilm archives, marked up in Waterloo Script, then transformed into TEI P5 XML.</note>
</bibl>
</sourceDesc>
</fileDesc>

<encodingDesc>
<styleDefDecl scheme="css"/>
<listPrefixDef xml:id="incPrefixDefs">
        
        <prefixDef ident="trm" matchPattern="(.+)" replacementPattern="https://bcgenesis.uvic.ca/glossary.htm#trm_$1">
          <p>The project glossary items have <att>xml:id</att> attributes beginning
          with <code>trm_</code>, and we use a <code>trm:</code> prefix to refer to
          them when linking from <gi>term</gi> elements.</p>
        </prefixDef>

        <prefixDef ident="org" matchPattern="(.+)" replacementPattern="https://bcgenesis.uvic.ca/$1.html">
          <p>We link to orgs in <code>orgs/organizations.xml</code> using the <code>org:</code> prefix.</p>
        </prefixDef>
        
        <prefixDef ident="plc" matchPattern="(.+)" replacementPattern="https://bcgenesis.uvic.ca/$1.html">
          <p>We link to places in <code>places.xml</code> using the <code>plc:</code> prefix.</p>
        </prefixDef>
        
        <prefixDef ident="prs" matchPattern="(.+)" replacementPattern="https://bcgenesis.uvic.ca/$1.html">
          <p>We link to people in <code>bios/*.xml</code> using the <code>prs:</code> prefix.</p>
        </prefixDef>
        
        <prefixDef ident="vsl" matchPattern="(.+)" replacementPattern="https://bcgenesis.uvic.ca/$1.html">
          <p>We link to vessels in <code>vessels/*.xml</code> using the <code>vsl:</code> prefix.</p>
        </prefixDef>
        
        <prefixDef ident="cdc" matchPattern="(.+)" replacementPattern="https://bcgenesis.uvic.ca/$1.html">
          <p>We link to other documents in the collection using the <code>cdc:</code> prefix.</p>
        </prefixDef>
        
        <prefixDef ident="cdt" matchPattern="(.*)" replacementPattern="http://bcgenesis.uvic.ca/document_types.xml#$1">
          <p>The cdt (ColDesp Document Type) prefix used on <gi>catRef</gi>/<att>target</att> points
            to a central taxonomy in the includes file.</p>
        </prefixDef>
        
        <prefixDef ident="img" matchPattern="(.+)" replacementPattern="https://bcgenesis.uvic.ca/imageBrowser.html?img=$1">
          <p>We link to other documents in the collection using the <code>cdc:</code> prefix.</p>
        </prefixDef>
        
      </listPrefixDef></encodingDesc>
<profileDesc><abstract><p><persName ref="prs:pakenham_w"><surname>Pakenham</surname>, <forename>William</forename></persName> to <persName ref="prs:adderley_cb"><surname>Adderley</surname>, <forename>Charles</forename> <forename>Bowyer</forename></persName> 21 November 1866, CO 305:30, no. 11134, 128.</p>
<p>Public Offices document. 
                Minutes (9), Enclosures (untranscribed) (1), Marginalia (3).</p>
</abstract><correspDesc>
<correspAction type="sent">
<persName ref="prs:pakenham_w"><surname>Pakenham</surname>, <forename>William</forename></persName>
<address><addrLine>
War Office
</addrLine></address>
<date when="1866-11-21"/>
</correspAction>
<correspAction type="received">
<persName ref="prs:adderley_cb"><surname>Adderley</surname>, <forename>Charles</forename> <forename>Bowyer</forename></persName>
<date when="1866-11-22"/></correspAction></correspDesc></profileDesc>

<revisionDesc><change resp="lyallg" when="2019-04-10">Inserted revisionDesc.</change></revisionDesc>

</teiHeader>
 
<text><body><div type="public_offices">
<head>
Longford to Under-Secretary of State
</head>
<opener><ref type="co_ref">11134, CO 305/30, p. 128; received 22 November
</ref>
<address><addrLine>
<orgName ref="org:war_office">War Office</orgName>
</addrLine>
</address>
<date when="1866-11-21">21<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> November 1866</date>
<salute>Sir,</salute> 
</opener>
<p>
I am directed by the Secretary of State for War to acknowledge the
receipt of your letter of the <date when="1866-10-26">26<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> ultimo</date>, with Enclosure, on the
 subject of Defences for <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouvers Island</placeName>.
</p>
<p>
 In reply I am to acquaint you for the information of the <persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Earl of<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Carnarvon</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00128r.jpg"/>
 Carnarvon</persName> that, in the absence of an intention to apply to
Parliament for funds for the construction of works for the Defences
of the <placeName ref="plc:esquimalt_harbour">Harbour of Esquimalt</placeName>, the proposals of <persName ref="prs:denman_j">Admiral the <choice><abbr>Hon<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">ble</hi></abbr><expan>Honourable</expan></choice>
J. Denman</persName> on the subject have not been referred for the
consideration of the Defence Committee, nor has any Estimate of the
probable cost of the<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">works</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00130r.jpg"/> works been framed.
</p>
<p>
I am to add that the Army Estimates for the ensuing year will not
admit of any vote being taken for the Defence of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouvers Island</placeName>.
</p>
<closer>
 I have the honor to be,<lb/>
 Sir,<lb/>
 Your obedient Servant<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:pakenham_w">Longford</persName>
<lb/>
</closer>
<!-- ..cm =================================================================== -->
</div>
<div type="minutes">
<div type="minute_entry"><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00128v.jpg"/>
<ab>
<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName><lb/>
The previous Papers on this subject are not in the Dept. They
consist of an <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> letter dated <date when="1866-10-16">16<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> Oct<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></date> enclosing one from
<persName ref="prs:denman_j">Admiral Denman</persName>, and a draft referring it to the <orgName ref="org:war_office">W.O.</orgName>
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>
<date when="1866-11-23">
23 Nov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
</div>
<div type="minute_entry">
<ab>
<persName ref="prs:jadis_v">M<hi style="text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Jadis</persName><lb/>
There is now a further letter from the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> on the same
subject dated <date when="1866-12-18">18 Dec<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></date>. If you cannot recover the previous papers
by Wednesday morning will you procure copies from the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName>.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1866-12-24">
24 Dec<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
</div>
<div type="minute_entry">
<ab>
<persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Elliot</persName><lb/>
Copies of the previous Papers are annexed.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:jadis_v">VJ</persName>
<date when="1866-12-27">
27 Dec<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
</div>
<div type="minute_entry">
<ab>
See separate Minute on 4<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">th</hi> Paper.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1866-12-28">
28 Dec<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
</div>
<div type="minute_entry"><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00144r.jpg"/>
<ab>
 Copy of a Minute by me on defences of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver</placeName>.
<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">Duplicate</hi> (the original being in too small writing, not
convenient for reading).
<hi style="text-align: center;"><persName ref="prs:denman_j">Admiral Denman</persName>'s suggestion of defences</hi>
<hi style="text-align: center;">for <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName></hi>
</ab>
<p>
This subject is new to me, as I was absent on leave when the
suggestion arrived. And the original Papers being mislaid, and
only copies obtainable, I have not the advantage of seeing any
Minute which <persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Lord Carnarvon</persName> may have made. It is therefore with
 diffidence that, on a subject involving large questions of national<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">policy</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00144v.jpg"/>
policy, I will note what occurs to me.
</p>
<p>
<persName ref="prs:denman_j">Admiral Denman</persName> seems to me to have no more than done his duty in
 pointing out that unless <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver</placeName> can be well defended, the Naval
Depôt there should not be increased beyond the ordinary wants of a
time of peace. Of course Stores should not be accumulated where
they are likely to fall into the hands of an enemy. He also justly
observes that if the permanent retention of the Country is
doubtful, our interests there should<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">not</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00145r.jpg"/> not be needlessly extended,
nor any special encouragement held out to Emigrants (which in fact
is not done). These remarks are correct; but they point, it will
be observed, not to a single conclusion, but to a choice between
two alternatives.
</p>
<p>
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver</placeName> is for practical purposes probably the most inaccessible
to Great Britain of any settled part of the Globe. At the time of
the <name ref="vsl:trent" type="vessel">Trent</name> crisis, we were at our wits ends to get a Despatch safely
 conveyed across the <placeName ref="plc:panama">Isthmus of Panama</placeName>. Troops and Stores<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">must</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00145v.jpg"/> must go
round <placeName ref="plc:cape_horn">Cape Horn</placeName> by a voyage of, I should conjecture, about four
months. The place is about twice as far in time as the Antipodes.
If we were to fortify <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver</placeName> there would be:
</p>
<p>
1<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">st</hi> The cost of the Batteries and of their Armament (no mean Item
in modern days).
</p>
<p>
2<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">nd</hi> The expense of a Garrison, for we could not plant Works and
Guns without a defensive force; and the inhabitants are too few,
too busy, and of too lukewarm an attachment to us, to be employed<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">for</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00146r.jpg"/>
for the purpose.
</p>
<p>
3<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">rdly</hi> When all is done, we should in the immediate neighbourhood
of the overwhelming population of California, be attempting with a
scanty, mixed, and not universally well-affected population, at a
distance of three or four months from England, what is considered
difficult in Canada with a population of Millions, thoroughly
well-disposed to the connexion, and within some ten or twelve days
steaming of our shores.
</p>
<p>
 Whilst agreeing therefore in the dilemma put by <persName ref="prs:denman_j">Admiral<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">Denman</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00146v.jpg"/> Denman</persName>,
there seems to be much to be said for letting things alone, and
awaiting the course of events. The <orgName ref="org:war_office">War Office</orgName> it will be seen, are
not disposed to undertake a Defensive Work. For my part I would
shrink from no expenditure of lives or Treasure on any object dear
to England; but I cannot help doubting whether it would be worth
while to do so in order to provide a Government for the Americans
who, I suspect, must in the long run form the majority of the
inhabitants of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver</placeName> and <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:elliot_tf">TFE</persName>
<date when="1866-12-28">
28 Dec<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> 1866
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
</div>
<div type="minute_entry"><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00143r.jpg"/>
<ab>
 The defence of <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.C.I.</placeName> in time of war is, as far as I can see
hopelessly difficult—and whatever sums one might expend upon
military works &amp; garrison they <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> only be taken &amp; the island
over-run before reinforcements (at an enormus expense) c<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi> reach
the place of action. I c<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi> not with a view to war recommend any
expenditure.
</ab>
<p>
The only question is whether it may not be desirable with a view to
many contingencies <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">h</hi></abbr><expan>which</expan></choice> are quite possible if not probable in the
U.S. to remove the feeling of discontent, <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">h</hi></abbr><expan>which</expan></choice> from many quarters we
 are told exists in <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.C.I.</placeName>, by some local changes &amp; commissions
provided that they do not involve a large or permanent expenditure
on this country.
</p>
<p>
As regards the dock the expense <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> probably be considerable &amp; the
value—except commercially, in <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">h</hi></abbr><expan>which</expan></choice> case it ought to be<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00143v.jpg"/> constructed
as a private undertaking—slight. But I s<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi> wish to have some
information as to the cost of making <placeName ref="plc:esquimalt">Esquimalt</placeName> a packet station.
<persName ref="prs:denman_j">Admiral Denman</persName> speaks of it as trifling. We know from other
sources that it <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> be viewed as a great boon by the Colony. A
<hi style="text-decoration: underline;">Private</hi> communication to <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> or Post Office <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> be
the best means of ascertaining this.
</p>
<p>
Something may perhaps be done on the spot by preserving to <placeName ref="plc:victoria">Victoria</placeName>
some of the advantages of a capital. But <persName ref="prs:seymour_f"><choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi></abbr><expan>Governor</expan></choice> Seymour</persName> will be
best able to speak on this point.
</p>
<p>
I shall be glad to be informed on the point I have noted above.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:carnarvon">C</persName>
<date when="1866-12-31">
31 Dec/66
</date>
</signed>
</closer>
</div>
<div type="minute_entry"><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00131r.jpg"/>
<ab>
 Question of Dock &amp; Packet Station at <placeName ref="plc:esquimalt">Esquimalt</placeName> <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.C.I.</placeName> raised by
<persName ref="prs:denman_j">Admiral Denman</persName>, &amp; commented on by <persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Lord Carnarvon</persName>.
</ab>
<p>
<persName ref="prs:denman_j">Admiral Denman</persName> suggests two measures the creation of a Dock at
<placeName ref="plc:esquimalt">Esquimalt</placeName> and the establishment of a Packet Station there, which he
says might be effected at a very small expense on the present
contracts.
</p>
<p>
I have placed myself in communication with the late Governor of
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName>, <persName ref="prs:kennedy_a">Captain Kennedy</persName>, with <persName ref="prs:richards_gh">Captain Richards</persName>, R.N. the
Hydrographer of the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName>, who was on the North Pacific Station
for 7 years, and with <persName ref="prs:page_wj">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> W.J. Page</persName>, one of the Chief Clerks at the
General Post Office whose business is to superintend Colonial Post
Office questions. Adding my own information<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">to</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00131v.jpg"/> to theirs on these
subjects the result is as follows: On the whole of the N. American
side of the N. Pacific there is not a single Dock belonging to
Great Britain where Vessels of War or Merchantmen can repair their
disasters. They are obliged to go to <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName> for that
purpose, and are consequently entirely dependent on the courtesy of
the Americans to enable them to refit. <persName ref="prs:richards_gh">Captain Richards</persName>' ship,
during the critical time of the "<name ref="vsl:trent" type="vessel">Trent</name>" difficulty, was actually in
 dock at <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName> and might have been impounded if war had
 occurred. The want of a dock has been felt to<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">be</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00132r.jpg"/> be a most serious
evil—but the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> have not thought proper to remedy it. An
attempt was made by a commercial company to make a dock but it fell
through, and at the present time there is little probability of any
renewal of it from that source: But are there not grounds for the
work being undertaken by the British Government? <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName>
and <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> cannot be defended by Forts and Garrisons. Their
only protection is by the means of a naval force. We have on the
Station now 13 Vessels of war of different<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">sizes</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00132v.jpg"/> sizes, numbering 191
guns. These ships must occasionally require repairs. It would be
worth while to know what these repairs annually cost the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName>
in a foreign port. If we must have a squadron on the station we
surely ought to possess in a British port facilities for repairing
them, and not be beholden to any foreign country for such
convenience which may be withheld at pleasure. <persName ref="prs:richards_gh">Captain Richards</persName>, on
a rough estimate, thinks £80,000 would probably suffice for the
work. But I fear this sum would not be enough; for the land about
<placeName ref="plc:esquimalt">Esquimalt</placeName><fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">is</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00133r.jpg"/> is in the hands of private parties, and would have to be
purchased. The <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName> have a very small bit of ground there.
The <placeName ref="plc:esquimalt_harbour">harbor of Esquimalt</placeName> is one of the finest in the world. The
objection may be raised that if the Imperial <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> makes this dock
we might only be making if for the Americans. But ought this
objection to prevail? We have these Colonies, and are bound to
protect them as long as we can. And can we do so, in time of war,
without a dock of our own?
</p>
<p>
If <persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Lord Carnarvon</persName> should at all agree in the view I have faintly
 sketched a letter<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">might</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00133v.jpg"/> might be written to the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName>
referring to <persName ref="prs:denman_j">Admiral Denman</persName>'s suggestion as to the dock, desiring
to know whether, in consideration of the duty imposed on this
country of affording protection to these Colonies by the means of a
Naval Squadron, their Lordship's consider that a dock can any
longer be dispensed with. That representations have, it is
understood, been addressed at different times [to] H.M. <choice><abbr>Gov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">t</hi></abbr><expan>Government</expan></choice> on
 this subject, and that <persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Lord Carnarvon</persName> is of opinion that the
 suggestion made by <persName ref="prs:denman_j">Admiral Denman</persName> deserves the early and serious
attention of<pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00133v.jpg"/> the <orgName ref="org:admiralty">Admiralty</orgName>.
<lb/>
2. <hi style="text-decoration: underline;">Packet Station</hi>
</p>
<p>
When the Colony of <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName> was established <persName ref="prs:lytton_egeb">Lord Lytton</persName>
pressed very strongly for a postal subsidy. But it could not be
granted. In <date when="1863">1863</date> <persName ref="prs:childers">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Childers</persName> revived the subject with no better
success.

<ref target="#marg1">*</ref>

The two Colonies were therefore compelled to get their
correspondence conveyed in the best way they could, which has been
by the means of the American Steamers.
</p>
<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">At</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00134v.jpg"/> 
<p>
At the present moment the English line, in the direction of
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> and <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>, ceases at <placeName ref="plc:colon">Colon</placeName>, and is
 thence carried in American Steamers to <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName>, whence the
Mail is conveyed by an American Steamer, subsidized by the Colonies
(one in 21 days) at a cost of £300 to each Colony for each trip.

<ref target="#marg2">**</ref>

There is no book post and the American postage is, in amount
prohibitory. It would doubtless be a great help to <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> and
<placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> to get a British subsidy to their Mails, or to
 have a packet station made for<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">them</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00135r.jpg"/> them. <persName ref="prs:denman_j">Admiral Denman</persName> says that a
<milestone unit="section" rend=".ind on"/>
 station at <placeName ref="plc:esquimalt">Esquimalt</placeName> for the steam vessels running between <placeName ref="plc:panama">Panama</placeName>
and Australia might be effected at a very small increase on the
cost of the present contracts under which the English Mails taken
to <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName> in American Vessels are now brought up from thence
 to <placeName ref="plc:esquimalt">Esquimalt</placeName>.
<milestone unit="section" rend=".ind off"/>
What <persName ref="prs:denman_j">Admiral Denman</persName> means, I suppose, is not that any mail service
 should be grafted on the Australian New Zealand and <placeName ref="plc:panama">Panama</placeName>
Line—which receives a subsidy from those Colonies of £70,000 a
year, and who would never consent to a diversion of 10,000 miles
out<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">of</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00135v.jpg"/> of the direct route—but that a station should be built at
<placeName ref="plc:esquimalt">Esquimalt</placeName> for a mail service between <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> and <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> to <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName>, which Mail service should receive an
English subsidy for that duty.

<ref target="#marg3">***</ref>

The distance between <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName> and <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> is 700 miles. Between <placeName ref="plc:panama">Panama</placeName> and <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vanc: Island</placeName> it is nearly
5000 miles. But before building a packet station we must have
packets, and those ought to be British not American. Supposing
that a subsidy be granted for the mail service to <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName> we
 shall still be entirely at the mercy<fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">of</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00136r.jpg"/> of the Americans for the
conveyance of the correspondence and of passengers from <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName> to <placeName ref="plc:panama">Panama</placeName>: and the Americans will use every exertion, as
they are doing now, to extend their commercial and other influences
in the North Pacific and maintain their ascendancy in that quarter
over Great Britain: I fear myself that neither a packet station nor
a dock at <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName> will be an equipoise to the pushing
vigor of the Americans of California and Oregon, but <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName>
might be fairly asked whether, now that <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">B. Columbia</placeName> and <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vanc: Island</placeName><fw type="catchword" style="text-align: right;">have</fw><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00136v.jpg"/> have become one great Dependency of the Crown, and that
their postal system is so imperfectly conducted, the time had not
arrived for giving that Colony some assistance in the shape of a
postal subsidy.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
<date when="1867-01-14">
14 Jan/67
</date>
</signed>

</closer>
</div>
</div>
<div type="enclosure_list">
<head>
*
</head>
<div type="enclosure_entry"><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00137r.jpg"/>
<ab>
[Enclosure with Minute above:]
<lb/>
<persName ref="prs:stanley_a">Stanley of Alderly</persName>, General Post Office, to Treasury, <date when="1863-11-14">14
November 1863</date>, declining to reopen the question of providing a
subsidy for mail enroute to <placeName ref="plc:british_columbia">British Columbia</placeName>, with explanation.
<lb/><lb/>
</ab>
</div>
<div type="minutes">
<div type="minute_entry"><pb facs="co_305_30/co_305_30_00142r.jpg"/>
<ab><hi style="text-align: center;"><name ref="vsl:pacific" type="vessel">Pacific</name></hi>
<milestone unit="section" rend=".ind on"/>
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:sutlej" type="vessel">Sutlej</name> 35 Screw S. Frigate (ordered home).
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:clio" type="vessel">Clio</name> 22 Screw Corvette
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:topaze" type="vessel">Topaze</name> 31 Screw Frigate
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:zealous" type="vessel">Zealous</name> 20 Screw Frigate
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:scout" type="vessel">Scout</name> 21 Screw Corvette
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:mutine" type="vessel">Mutine</name> 17 Screw Sloop
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:sloop_albert" type="vessel">Albert</name> 17 Screw Sloop
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:malacca" type="vessel">Malacca</name> 13 Screw Corvette
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:reindeer" type="vessel">Reindeer</name> 7 Steam Sloop
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:columbine" type="vessel">Columbine</name> 4 Screw Sloop
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:sparrowhawk" type="vessel">Sparrow Hawk</name> 4 Screw Gun Vessel
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:grappler" type="vessel">Grappler</name> Screw Gunboat
<lb/>
<name ref="vsl:forward" type="vessel">Forward</name> Screw Gunboat
<lb/>
___
<lb/>
191 guns
<milestone unit="section" rend=".ind off"/>
<lb/><lb/>
</ab>
</div>
 
<div type="minute_entry">
<ab>
<persName ref="prs:carnarvon">Lord Carnarvon</persName><lb/>
I do not concur with <persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Blackwood</persName>s suggestion to tell the Adm<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">ty</hi>
the proposal for a Dock deserves their early &amp; serious attention.
</ab>
<p>
But I do think his second suggestion a good one, to make a general
recommendation to <orgName ref="org:treasury">the Treasury</orgName> to review their Correspondence with
the GPO as to the mails, now that the two Colonies are one large one.
</p>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:adderley_cb">CBA</persName>
<date when="1867-01-17">
17/1
</date>
</signed>
<signed><name><hi style="text-align: center; text-decoration: underline;"><placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">Vancouver Island</placeName></hi></name>
</signed>
<signed><name><hi style="text-align: center;">Dock &amp; Packet Stations at <placeName ref="plc:esquimalt">Esquimalt</placeName></hi></name>
</signed>
</closer>
</div>
</div>

</div>
<div type="marginalia">
<div type="marginalis" xml:id="marg1">
<ab>

See annexed copy of a Letter from the G.P.O. to the T-y d. <date when="1863-11-14">14
Nov<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi>/63</date>.
</ab>
<closer><signed>[<persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>]
</signed>
</closer>
</div>
<div type="marginalis" xml:id="marg2">
<ab>

Many Letters reach <placeName ref="plc:vancouver_island">V.C.I.</placeName> overland viâ <placeName ref="plc:new_york">New York</placeName> &amp; <placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">S. Francisco</placeName> &amp;
are ans<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi> by the same route.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
</signed>
</closer>
</div>
<div type="marginalis" xml:id="marg3">
<ab>

<persName ref="prs:page_wj">M<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">r</hi> Page</persName> is of opinion that even if the
<placeName ref="plc:panama">Panama</placeName> and N. Zealand C<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">o</hi> <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> agree to call at <placeName ref="plc:esquimalt">Esquimalt</placeName> it <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice>
only give a communication with England once in each Calendar month,
&amp; even by that communication the time occupied <choice><abbr>w<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></abbr><expan>would</expan></choice> exceed that in
wh. Letters are now generally carried vi'<unclear>a <placeName ref="plc:new_york">New York</placeName>, &amp; overland to</unclear>
<placeName ref="plc:san_francisco">San Francisco</placeName>.
</ab>
<closer><signed><persName ref="prs:blackwood_aj">AB<hi style="vertical-align: super; font-size: 80%;">d</hi></persName>
</signed>
</closer>
</div>
</div></body>
</text>
</TEI>