Colonial Despatches
The colonial despatches of Vancouver Island and British Columbia 1846-1871
Public Offices document
Hart, William H. A. to Lytton, Sir Edward George Earle Bulwer 28 September 1858, CO 60:2, no. 9904, 158.
Abstract
Public Offices document.
Minutes (10), Other documents (1).
Hart, on behalf of the Colonial Church & School Society, thanks the CO for the free passage
of a clergyman on the “Thames City.” But he regrets that the society was unable to allocate the proper funds to provide
a salary for the clergyman and therefore they will not be able to accept the offer
of transport.
The minutes debate whether the government can provide some financial aid to the society’s
cause but ultimately agree that they regretfully cannot.
Enclosed is a draft from Elliot to the secretary of the Colonial Church & School Society declining to defray the
cost of the passage of a clergyman to British Columbia due to a lack of funds.
Hart to Secretary of State
The Committee of this Society feel very grateful for the kind offer
of a free passage in the "Thames City" for the Clergyman they propose to
appoint to British Columbia.
In consequence of the previous appropriation of the funds at their
disposal the Committee were unable to proceed to the immediate
appointment of a clergyman though the appeals made to them were very
urgent. Had they been in a position to do so they would have been able
to accept the offer of a passage by the "Thames City" and would have gladly done so, but inasmuch as they have not yet actually appointed
a
clergyman, and he could not possibly be ready to leave
England so soon as
Thursday next, they very much regret that they are quite unable to avail
themselves of the present opportunity.
England so soon as
Thursday next, they very much regret that they are quite unable to avail
themselves of the present opportunity.
The Committee have made strenuous efforts to provide a salary of
£300 a year for the gentleman whom they are on the eve of appointing and
they trust that in consequence of the difficulties which they have had to
encounter Her Majesty's Government will be pleased to aid them by a
grant, and thus enable them to send their clergyman and his wife to the
new Colony viâ New York and Panama in October.
The Committee fully understand that in the event of the Clergyman to
be appointed being attached to the Royal Engineers, the fact of his being
so attached will not be held to confer any claim or
title on a future
occasion either to employment or pension or compensation.
title on a future
occasion either to employment or pension or compensation.
Minutes by CO staff
Lord Carnarvon
The Society cannot avail themselves of the oppy of the "Thames City." Do you think we cd give £100 towards sending the Clergyman out? Considering that the Govt pays for no Clergyman whatever, (wh: is not what I approve myself, & fear a complaint from the Bench of Bishops for you) I am inclined to advise a recommendation to the Treasury to the extent above mentioned.
The Society cannot avail themselves of the oppy of the "Thames City." Do you think we cd give £100 towards sending the Clergyman out? Considering that the Govt pays for no Clergyman whatever, (wh: is not what I approve myself, & fear a complaint from the Bench of Bishops for you) I am inclined to advise a recommendation to the Treasury to the extent above mentioned.
ABd
29 Sepr
I quite agree in the principle of giving the Colony some spiritual
assistance but on grounds of expediency I am afraid it is questionable.
For this last reason Sir E. Lytton decided against a Colonial Chaplain &
only agreed to the free passage in the Thames City because though
indirectly it was equivalent to pecuniary aid it was not actually a grant
of money wh wd appear on the Estimates. I do not see how, if the
£100 suggested or any sum be allowed to the Col. Ch. S., pecuniary
aid to
the S.P.G. or to other religious bodies can be refused, or why we sd
confine ourselves to so small a sum. I wd for my own part gladly
adopt a different course and give effective aid towards a religious
establishment in the new Colony but modern policy has condemned this &
rendered it impossible, and the difference between £100 and £1000 is
merely I apprehend a question of degree. I am afraid that we cannot
comply with the application but it is for Sir E. Lytton to decide.
aid to
the S.P.G. or to other religious bodies can be refused, or why we sd
confine ourselves to so small a sum. I wd for my own part gladly
adopt a different course and give effective aid towards a religious
establishment in the new Colony but modern policy has condemned this &
rendered it impossible, and the difference between £100 and £1000 is
merely I apprehend a question of degree. I am afraid that we cannot
comply with the application but it is for Sir E. Lytton to decide.
C
S 29
I should like to submit this question to Mr Merivale.
EBL
Sept 30
I am really not competent to offer any suggestion on the subject,
which would not be readily anticipated by any one
familiar with colonial
politics. I do not suppose there would be much objection in Parliament
to a trifling grant at the outset from home funds. It seems to me
a more difficult step to appropriate colonial funds (in the
absence of representative institutions) to such a purpose.
familiar with colonial
politics. I do not suppose there would be much objection in Parliament
to a trifling grant at the outset from home funds. It seems to me
a more difficult step to appropriate colonial funds (in the
absence of representative institutions) to such a purpose.
It will be necessary to ascertain the precedents for a
trifling grant for voyage; if precedents favour it I will not object.
Otherwise it will be better to resist & the Society will probably
[equally?] send out their man if they only can get 300£ a year for him.
EBL
Oct 13
I would give a free passage to the Clergyman not any more—on the
condition that the 300£ a year for him be actually raised.
Mr Blackwood
I have inquired in the other departments, but cannot find any precedent for the payt of the passage of a Clergyman sent out to a colony by the Missionary Societies in this Country? See 10427. 1
I have inquired in the other departments, but cannot find any precedent for the payt of the passage of a Clergyman sent out to a colony by the Missionary Societies in this Country? See 10427. 1
Answer accordingly?
TFE
21 Oct
Sir Edward
I agree.
I agree.
C
Oct 21
Yes with regret.
[EBL]
Oct 22
Other documents included in the file
Draft, Elliot to Secretary, Colonial Church Society, 30 October 1858, declining to defray the cost of the passage of a clergyman to
British Columbia due to lack of funds.