 and
               Assay Office for British Columbia, and I am to acquaint you that directions have been given to the Paymaster General
               to pay to
               the account of the Master of the Mint the sum of £152.3.8 in
               repayment of these further expenses, beyond the sum (£1800)
               issued to him in February 1860, charging the amount on account of
               the grant for British Columbia.
 and
               Assay Office for British Columbia, and I am to acquaint you that directions have been given to the Paymaster General
               to pay to
               the account of the Master of the Mint the sum of £152.3.8 in
               repayment of these further expenses, beyond the sum (£1800)
               issued to him in February 1860, charging the amount on account of
               the grant for British Columbia.
                for 1862/3. It will therefore still further reduce the sum for which the Governor should draw.
 for 1862/3. It will therefore still further reduce the sum for which the Governor should draw.
                
                  
                   of £7,200, we were to instruct the Governor that he would
                     not be at liberty to draw more than £300 of that amount for the
                     purposes for which it is voted by Parliament; the rest would
                     be wanted to settle the Treasury claim for specie sent out last
                     year to the value of £6,900.
 of £7,200, we were to instruct the Governor that he would
                     not be at liberty to draw more than £300 of that amount for the
                     purposes for which it is voted by Parliament; the rest would
                     be wanted to settle the Treasury claim for specie sent out last
                     year to the value of £6,900.
                      of it in plain language would
                     suffice to show that it had been made in haste and without
                     seeing it's true nature.
 of it in plain language would
                     suffice to show that it had been made in haste and without
                     seeing it's true nature.
                      for Columbia except for the current services of
                     the year, has left our letter entirely unanswered, and now
                     persists in his former announcement about forbidding the
                     Governor's drafts, as if not a word of objection to that course
                     had ever been submitted to the consideration of the Treasury.
 for Columbia except for the current services of
                     the year, has left our letter entirely unanswered, and now
                     persists in his former announcement about forbidding the
                     Governor's drafts, as if not a word of objection to that course
                     had ever been submitted to the consideration of the Treasury.
                      mode of adjusting accounts is that a Governor shall
                     pay into the Chest any money which is owed to Great Britain by
                     the Colony, and shall draw out of it any money granted to the
                     Colony by Great Britain. But it so happens that in Bish Columbia there is no Treasury Chest; the Governor has no
                     direct means of paying a debt to the British Treasury except
                     by remittance to England, which may at times be difficult
                     or expensive.  If then the amount at issue be small, and if it
                     be perfectly clear that the Governor can punctually pay fromlocal
 mode of adjusting accounts is that a Governor shall
                     pay into the Chest any money which is owed to Great Britain by
                     the Colony, and shall draw out of it any money granted to the
                     Colony by Great Britain. But it so happens that in Bish Columbia there is no Treasury Chest; the Governor has no
                     direct means of paying a debt to the British Treasury except
                     by remittance to England, which may at times be difficult
                     or expensive.  If then the amount at issue be small, and if it
                     be perfectly clear that the Governor can punctually pay fromlocal local funds the services for which Parliament has provided,
                     there would be no harm in his discharging a debt to the
                     Treasury by curtailing to that extent his Drafts against the
                     money voted by Parliament.  The Treasury, if I may so put it
                     by way of illustration, owes the Royal Engineers and others a
                     certain sum in B. Columbia, the Governor owes the Treasury a
                     certain sum in England, if he can pay their debt in the Colony,
                     he may discharge in that way his own debt to them in England.
                     local funds the services for which Parliament has provided,
                     there would be no harm in his discharging a debt to the
                     Treasury by curtailing to that extent his Drafts against the
                     money voted by Parliament.  The Treasury, if I may so put it
                     by way of illustration, owes the Royal Engineers and others a
                     certain sum in B. Columbia, the Governor owes the Treasury a
                     certain sum in England, if he can pay their debt in the Colony,
                     he may discharge in that way his own debt to them in England.
                      is only applicable to amounts
                     which the Colonial Treasury is quite sure to be able to furnish.
                     In case of the smallest risk that the Soldier's pay voted by
                     Parliament was falling into arrear, it would be the bounden
                     duty of the Governor to draw bills for the required amount,
                     and the bounden duty of the Treasury to pay the Bills.  If on
                     the contrary, as Mr Peel continues to threaten, they were
                     to refuse the Bills in order to use the funds for satisfying
                     other claims which Parliament has never heard of, I must with
                     great deference submit that the Treasury would beguilty
 is only applicable to amounts
                     which the Colonial Treasury is quite sure to be able to furnish.
                     In case of the smallest risk that the Soldier's pay voted by
                     Parliament was falling into arrear, it would be the bounden
                     duty of the Governor to draw bills for the required amount,
                     and the bounden duty of the Treasury to pay the Bills.  If on
                     the contrary, as Mr Peel continues to threaten, they were
                     to refuse the Bills in order to use the funds for satisfying
                     other claims which Parliament has never heard of, I must with
                     great deference submit that the Treasury would beguilty guilty of a
                     misappropriation of the public money, and of a signal infraction
                     of the principles laid down by recent Committees of the House
                     of Commons on Public Monies and the Public Accounts.
 guilty of a
                     misappropriation of the public money, and of a signal infraction
                     of the principles laid down by recent Committees of the House
                     of Commons on Public Monies and the Public Accounts.
                      to do injustice to the
                     Treasury, and I have used every endeavour therefore to enter
                     into their mind.  They do not propose, it will be observed,
                     to charge all the Governor's former over-drafts against this
                     year's vote, but only the value of the specie sent to him
                     last year, together with the present petty excess in the cost
                     of the Assay Office.  It has struck me as possible therefore
                     that they may treat the coin as something sui generis,
                     and may have in their mind some such reasoning as follows:
                     Parliament voted a certain sum, the Governor at his own requesthas
 to do injustice to the
                     Treasury, and I have used every endeavour therefore to enter
                     into their mind.  They do not propose, it will be observed,
                     to charge all the Governor's former over-drafts against this
                     year's vote, but only the value of the specie sent to him
                     last year, together with the present petty excess in the cost
                     of the Assay Office.  It has struck me as possible therefore
                     that they may treat the coin as something sui generis,
                     and may have in their mind some such reasoning as follows:
                     Parliament voted a certain sum, the Governor at his own requesthas has received part in specie, he is only entitled therefore to
                     draw the balance of the vote in bills, and any drafts beyond
                     that balance are justly liable to refusal.  Now this reasoning
                     might have been valid if the Treasury had thought proper to
                     refuse his overdrafts for the past year.  The measure would have
                     been harsh and impolite, but it would not have been inconsistent
                     with the votes of Parliament.  But that year being closed, I
                     contend that any excess of money which the Governor obtained
                     becomes at once a debt and cannot affect the votes forfuture
                     has received part in specie, he is only entitled therefore to
                     draw the balance of the vote in bills, and any drafts beyond
                     that balance are justly liable to refusal.  Now this reasoning
                     might have been valid if the Treasury had thought proper to
                     refuse his overdrafts for the past year.  The measure would have
                     been harsh and impolite, but it would not have been inconsistent
                     with the votes of Parliament.  But that year being closed, I
                     contend that any excess of money which the Governor obtained
                     becomes at once a debt and cannot affect the votes forfuture future
                     services.  If the Treasury took the view which I have above
                     described, they ought to have expressed the British Columbia
                     Estimate somewhat as follows:
 future
                     services.  If the Treasury took the view which I have above
                     described, they ought to have expressed the British Columbia
                     Estimate somewhat as follows:
                     
                      for £7,200
                     to pay the Soldiers in the year now current, and to £7,200
                     the Soldiers are accordingly entitled.
 for £7,200
                     to pay the Soldiers in the year now current, and to £7,200
                     the Soldiers are accordingly entitled.
                      that question) from which portion of the
                     liabilities, if any, Parliament may reasonably be asked to
                     relieve the Colony, 4thly what instructions should be given
                     as to repayment.  In order to dispense with a search through
                     numerous detached papers, I will endeavour to bring together
                     in this minute, for the use of yourself and the Duke of Newcastle, the
                     facts which supply the elements of these different questions.
 that question) from which portion of the
                     liabilities, if any, Parliament may reasonably be asked to
                     relieve the Colony, 4thly what instructions should be given
                     as to repayment.  In order to dispense with a search through
                     numerous detached papers, I will endeavour to bring together
                     in this minute, for the use of yourself and the Duke of Newcastle, the
                     facts which supply the elements of these different questions.
                      subjoined Table:
                     
                     Revenue of
 subjoined Table:
                     
                     Revenue of
                      calculated,
                     £31,750 represents the portion which is disposable for general purposes.
 calculated,
                     £31,750 represents the portion which is disposable for general purposes.
                      Newcastle pointed out to the
                     Treasury that there was a material distinction in the past
                     overdrafts for Royal Engineers.  One portion, amounting to
                     £10,704, was for roads, bridges and surveys, and evidently
                     ought never to have been charged except to the Colony.  The
                     other portion, amounting to £11,322, was for the pay,
                     sustenance and movement of the Engineers, and for this sum
                     the Duke suggested that application might be made to
                     Parliament.  His Grace pointed out that in order to enable
                     the Colony to succeed in defraying the intended liberal
                     Share of it's futureMilitary
 Newcastle pointed out to the
                     Treasury that there was a material distinction in the past
                     overdrafts for Royal Engineers.  One portion, amounting to
                     £10,704, was for roads, bridges and surveys, and evidently
                     ought never to have been charged except to the Colony.  The
                     other portion, amounting to £11,322, was for the pay,
                     sustenance and movement of the Engineers, and for this sum
                     the Duke suggested that application might be made to
                     Parliament.  His Grace pointed out that in order to enable
                     the Colony to succeed in defraying the intended liberal
                     Share of it's futureMilitary Military expences, it was only prudent to
                     avoid burthening it with past claims which might defeat the whole plan.
                     To this the Treasury have not favored us with an answer.
 Military expences, it was only prudent to
                     avoid burthening it with past claims which might defeat the whole plan.
                     To this the Treasury have not favored us with an answer.
                      available sum of £13,698 out
                     of the amount on which he has hitherto calculated, of £31,750.
 available sum of £13,698 out
                     of the amount on which he has hitherto calculated, of £31,750.
                      be expected, and that it would be good policy, and not
                     unfair, to submit to Parliament hereafter a vote for the other
                     excess of £11,322 which the Royal Engineers have cost in past years.
 be expected, and that it would be good policy, and not
                     unfair, to submit to Parliament hereafter a vote for the other
                     excess of £11,322 which the Royal Engineers have cost in past years.
                      were prepared, I
                     think, to believe that it would be a judicious outlay.  The
                     more that we wish him to make repayments to England out of
                     his current Revenue, the greater is the reason to allow
                     of his raising small loans on the spot if he can.  But here
                     again we are met by the Treasury.  They have peremptorily
                     objected to his borrowing money while he is receiving aid
                     from home, which aid as you are aware consists of the
                     Governor's Salary (granted to some twenty other Colonies)
                     and of only half the total of Military expenditure on the
                     place.  Under the Duke ofNewcastle's
 were prepared, I
                     think, to believe that it would be a judicious outlay.  The
                     more that we wish him to make repayments to England out of
                     his current Revenue, the greater is the reason to allow
                     of his raising small loans on the spot if he can.  But here
                     again we are met by the Treasury.  They have peremptorily
                     objected to his borrowing money while he is receiving aid
                     from home, which aid as you are aware consists of the
                     Governor's Salary (granted to some twenty other Colonies)
                     and of only half the total of Military expenditure on the
                     place.  Under the Duke ofNewcastle's Newcastle's direction I am
                     preparing the draft of a letter asking the Treasury to
                     reconsider the case.  But they are very hard to persuade.
 Newcastle's direction I am
                     preparing the draft of a letter asking the Treasury to
                     reconsider the case.  But they are very hard to persuade.
                      is wholly inadequate to these demands.  So long as they are
                     but refusing what others propose, they seem to think that
                     they must be safe, but occasionally this lands them in
                     inconsistencies.  I do not see that they ever attempt to
                     solve a difficulty, much less to confer a benefit.  They
                     never supply a plan of their own.  It is upon us that they
                     vindicate their originality because as soon as we have said
                     one thing, they always say the contrary.
                     is wholly inadequate to these demands.  So long as they are
                     but refusing what others propose, they seem to think that
                     they must be safe, but occasionally this lands them in
                     inconsistencies.  I do not see that they ever attempt to
                     solve a difficulty, much less to confer a benefit.  They
                     never supply a plan of their own.  It is upon us that they
                     vindicate their originality because as soon as we have said
                     one thing, they always say the contrary.
                      apologise upon their general mode of doing business.  I have
                     submitted above a practical course for consideration; should
                     it meet with approval, I do not say that we may not so far
                     concede to their view as to give the Governor an option of paying part of his debt by curtailing to that extent his
                     drafts on the Treasury, but I think that this could only be
                     done with strict instructions that his first duty is to issue
                     punctually at the right moment the pay to the Royal Engineers,
                     and that if any want of local fundsshould
                     apologise upon their general mode of doing business.  I have
                     submitted above a practical course for consideration; should
                     it meet with approval, I do not say that we may not so far
                     concede to their view as to give the Governor an option of paying part of his debt by curtailing to that extent his
                     drafts on the Treasury, but I think that this could only be
                     done with strict instructions that his first duty is to issue
                     punctually at the right moment the pay to the Royal Engineers,
                     and that if any want of local fundsshould should produce the least
                     difficulty in that respect, it would be his duty immediately
                     to draw, as far as necessary, Bills upon the Treasury rather
                     than keep the Troops without the pay which Parliament
                     has been pleased to provide for them.
 should produce the least
                     difficulty in that respect, it would be his duty immediately
                     to draw, as far as necessary, Bills upon the Treasury rather
                     than keep the Troops without the pay which Parliament
                     has been pleased to provide for them.
                      
                  
                   objecting to
                     Mr Elliot's plan for the settlement of the arrears (as put
                     to the Try 22nd March) I think it goes to the very limits
                     of leniency, and that the Govr's attempt to throw upon us
                     the task of persuading Parlmt to pay for road & bridge making in the
                     Colony, under the guise of Military expenditure, is intolerable.
 objecting to
                     Mr Elliot's plan for the settlement of the arrears (as put
                     to the Try 22nd March) I think it goes to the very limits
                     of leniency, and that the Govr's attempt to throw upon us
                     the task of persuading Parlmt to pay for road & bridge making in the
                     Colony, under the guise of Military expenditure, is intolerable.
                      by Mr Elliot seems the right
                     one.  I would refuse to give such instructions to the Governor
                     as they require—that is, I would make them understand that
                     the money to be raised for the Royal Engineers must be
                     available and used for the Royal Engineers, if necessary.
                     While the Govr might be instructed, as a matter of
                     convenience & economy, in settling accounts to refrain, if
                     possible, from drawing upon the Parliamentary vote, so that it may
                     go to pay for the Specie, thus setting off the one debt against
                     the other.  I would also point out to the Try. in very distinct terms
                     their entire omission to notice our letter of the 22nd March.
 by Mr Elliot seems the right
                     one.  I would refuse to give such instructions to the Governor
                     as they require—that is, I would make them understand that
                     the money to be raised for the Royal Engineers must be
                     available and used for the Royal Engineers, if necessary.
                     While the Govr might be instructed, as a matter of
                     convenience & economy, in settling accounts to refrain, if
                     possible, from drawing upon the Parliamentary vote, so that it may
                     go to pay for the Specie, thus setting off the one debt against
                     the other.  I would also point out to the Try. in very distinct terms
                     their entire omission to notice our letter of the 22nd March.
                      wish to palliate
                     his conduct but because I will not be a party to deceiving
                     Parlt and leaving the Engineers to the risk of non-payment, nor to authorize the Govr to make his Colony bankrupt.
 wish to palliate
                     his conduct but because I will not be a party to deceiving
                     Parlt and leaving the Engineers to the risk of non-payment, nor to authorize the Govr to make his Colony bankrupt.
                      
                  
                   
                  
                  Fortescue, 1st Baron Carlingford Chichester