No. 99
               
            
            
               
               
                     Victoria
                     
                  
               4th September 1867
               
               My Lord Duke,
                
            
            
               With reference to my despatch No. 92 of 
16th August, I regret
               to have to report that an unsatisfactory state of things still
               prevails in 
Cariboo.
               
 
            
            
               2.  The Canadian Company obeyed my instructions, and the claim
               in dispute between the Bed Rock Flume Company and themselves was
               quietly taken possession of by a single Constable on behalf of the
               Government; and his possession though unsanctioned by Law has been
               acquiesced in by both parties.
               
            
            
               3.  But further difficulties have sprung up.  
Mr Ball, the
               Gold Commissioner, advised
the
 the Flume Company not to fight, but to
               trust to the Government for protection.  Upon this advice the Flume
               Company abandoned the whole of their land.  Other persons, under
               the 38
th section of the Gold Mining Ordinance of 
1867, waited for
               72 hours and then considering the Flume Company as dispossessed
               recorded their claim to the abandoned land, and began working at
               a spot which
was
 was unquestionably included within the Flume Company's
               Charter. 
Mr Ball endeavored to turn them out on the ground
               that a Government charter can only be declared void by the Government
               itself.  The men resisted and, as in the former case, the police
               is [sic] once more powerless.
               
               4.  I am fully aware that I am giving Your Grace but an imperfect
               statement of the case, which
is
 is one of great complexity, but my
               present duty is more to act than to report and I have to state the
               measures I have taken and those that I am about to take.
               
               5.  As regards the past, I enclose copy of a letter which, in
               the form of Instructions to the Surveyor General, made public the
               transactions between myself and the Canadian Company during my
               recent visit to
Cariboo Cariboo
 Cariboo.  A total inability to coerce by physical
               force the Canadian Company may have led to a more civil tone in
               speaking to them than they deserved, but I think that they were well
               advised by their lawyers and kept within the law.
               
               6.  The Police force at 
Cariboo has by successive reductions
               dwindled down to two Constables.  The public feeling was rather in
               favour
of
 of the Canadians.  At all events no one would come forward to
               assist the Government in an emergency.  I have now sent up five
               Constables, thoroughly armed, and 
Mr Brew, the Police Magistrate
               of 
New Westminster will succeed 
Mr Ball in 
Cariboo. I give
               power to 
Mr Brew to add to the force on his way to 
Cariboo and
               positive instructions to enforce the Law at any cost.
               
               7.  But the scheme of
arbitration
 arbitration has been rejected and our
               principal difficulty is still, as it was, to ascertain what the Law
               really is. 
Mr Spalding—I beg to refer to my private letter
               enclosed—decides one way, 
Mr Ball, quite his equal in ability,
               decides another way, and 
Mr Chief Justice Begbie is of opinion
               that there is no appeal from the irreconcilable judgements; both
               though contradictory having the force of Law.
I
  I have however
               consulted very fully with 
Mr Chief Justice Needham on the whole
               matter and he agrees with me that there is an appeal under the
               ordinance I enclose.  That the matter may be viewed as a question of
               Law as well as of fact and reheard by a Judge of the Supreme Court.
               Sincerely thankful for any issue out of a case of such extrordinary
               difficulty, I am sending 
MrNeedham Needham
 Needham at once to 
Cariboo. I have
               telegraphed to 
Mr Begbie that I particularly require his
               presence in 
New Westminster at once.
               
               8.  I have the satisfaction of adding that my confidence in
               
Mr Ball is not diminished by the unfortunate occurrences which
               have attended his short administration of affairs in 
Cariboo.
               
               9.  I enclose copy of a Correspondence which has passed between
               
Rear AdmiralHastings Hastings
 Hastings and myself respecting the assistance which
               the Colony might expect from Her Majesty's forces in any case of
               insurrection or rebellion.
               
               10.  I may add that during my stay in 
Cariboo, though I mixed
               freely with all classes, I met with no incivility.
               
               I have the honor to be,
               My Lord Duke,
               Your most obedient
               humble Servant
               
Frederick Seymour
               
               Minutes by CO staff
               
                
                  
                  
                  
                  
                     Despatch No 92 has been sent to the Admiralty & acknowledged
                     the correspondence attached to this shd also be sent to that
                     Dept.
                     
                  
                  
                     The following telegram was sent to the Govr as to
                     Naval assistance on the 18 Sepr.
                     
                     Navy may send what assistance the Admiral considers he can afford but
                     Admty wishes to avoid landing men without there is real necessity.
                     
                     
                  
                  
                   
                  
                  
                     Mr Elliot
                     2  Companies—the Canadian & the Flume Company—quarrel
                     about some mining claims; Commiss
r Spalding in a case before
                     him decides one way, 
Commissr Ball in a case before him decides
                     another way.  
Mr Begbie says that the decisions were decisions
                     upon questions of fact, & that therefore under the recent Gold
                     Mining Act (10372) no appeal lies to the Supreme Court.  
Chief
                        Justice Needham on the other hand, thinks that questions of law,
                     as well as of fact, were involved in the decisions & that an appeal
                     lies; & by the Gov
rs desire he has gone to 
Cariboo to see what
                     can be done.
                     
 
                  
                  
                     We are not called upon to decide which Judge is right;
                     nor indeed could we do so upon the material before us.
                     
                  
                  
                     I should be
                     disposed to approve generally what the 
Govr has done, expressing
                     perhaps regret that this unsatisfactory state of things still
                     continues in 
Cariboo, and to send to the Admiralty the correspond
ce
                     attached to this Despatch.
                     
 
                  
                  
                     The mistake was 
Balls inducing the Flume 
Cy to withdraw.
                     Arbitration seems the only course—as the Law is powerless.
                     
Seymour's address saved the semblance only.
                     
 
            
            
               Documents enclosed with the main document (not transcribed)
               
                
                  
                  
                     Newspaper clipping, unnamed, no date, containing a letter
                     outlining the situation in 
Cariboo (incomplete), published on the
                     authority of the governor.
                     
 
                  
                  
                     Hastings to 
Seymour, 
3 September 1867, stating his
                     instructions did not cover intervention in such a case.
                     
                     
 
                   
            
            
               Other documents included in the file
               
                
                  
                  
                     Rogers to Secretary to the Admiralty, 
11 November 1867,
                     forwarding copy of correspondence between 
Hasting and 
Seymour.
                     
 
                   
            
            
               
                  People in this document
                  
                        Adderley, C. B.
                  
                        Ball,  Henry Maynard
                  Begbie, Matthew Baillie
                  
                        Brew, Chartres
                  
                        Elliot, Thomas Frederick
                  
                        Grenville, Richard
                  
                        Hastings, Rear Admiral George Fowler
                  
                        Holland, Henry Thurston
                  
                        Needham, Joseph
                  
                        Robinson,  William
                  Rogers, Baron Blachford Frederic
                  Seymour, Governor Frederick
                  
                        Spalding, Justice of the Peace W. R.
                
               
                  Places in this document
                  Cariboo Region
                  New Westminster