Murdoch to Elliot (Assistant Under-Secretary)
               
            
            
               
               
                     Emigration Office
                     
                  
               25 May 1861
                
            
            
               In my letter of 
30th March last I stated that it would be my duty at
               a future day to submit to the 
Duke of Newcastle a report on the
               Hudsons Bay C
os accounts [marginal note:  herewith returned] of
               expenditure connected with 
Vancouvers Island which accompanied your
               letter of 
26th March.  I now proceed to submit such a report, but in
               doing so it will be convenient that I should

 recapitulate very
               briefly what has already passed on the subject.
               
               2.  At the close of 
1857 Her Majestys Government gave notice to the
               Company of the intention of the Crown to resume 
Vancouvers Island,
               and called on them for a statement of the amount of which under the
               grant of 
Janry 1849 they would be consequently entitled to claim
               repayment.
               
               3.  The Company in answer sent in a claim embracing their whole
               expenditure to the amount of £225,699—but on being informed

 that
               H.M. Government did not propose to take over the property or
               Establishments connected with their Commercial transactions they
               reduced their claim to 3 items only vizt.
               
               
               1.  Balance due on 
VanC. Isld           )
               
               Trust account for works &           )    8505. 6.11
               
               Establishments to 
31st Decr 1857    )
               
               2.  Cost of sending out Settlers            25550.—.—
               
               3.  Expense of searching for Coal       )
               
               at 
Fort Rupert                      )   12469. 4. 7
               
               ___________
               
               £46524.11. 6
               
               
               The first two items (assuming the details to be properly vouched)
               were at once admitted—but respecting the third a correspondence
               ensued which ended in an Agreement to divide it

 equally between the
               Government and the Company.  The account therefore at the
               commencement of last year stood, as far as it had been rendered, as
               follows.
               
               
               Claims admitted by the Government    )
               
               (£8505.6.11 + 25550)              )    £34055. 6.11
               
               Half expense of 
Fort Rupert                 6234.12. 3
               
               ___________
               
               £40289.19. 2
               
               
               subject, however, to the completion to the end of the year of the
               
Vancouvers Island Trust Account.  That Account had nominally been
               furnished to 
31st Decr 1857, but the subsidiary accounts from the

               Colony had really been made up only to 
October 1856.  But it was
               stated in a note that the receipts & disbursements from that date to
               
October 1857 would probably reduce the balance against the Crown by
               about £600, leaving that balance therefore, in 
October 1857 somewhat
               under £8000.  Under these circumstances, considering the extent of
               the Land sales in the last two years and the high prices which had
               been obtained, it was anticipated that the completion of the account
               would still further

 reduce the balance against the Crown, even if it
               did not throw it on the other side.  The sum, therefore, paid to the
               Company on account last year was limited to £25000.
               
               4.  The volume now before me brings up the Accounts between the
               Company and the Crown to 
31st December last, but with a different
               result from what had been expected.  Instead of showing a balance
               against the Crown after giving credit for the above £25000 of about
               £15000 the Company make out a balance

 due to them of £53,569.14.2.
               The excess, therefore, is upwards of £38000 or after giving credit
               for £24000 of outstanding land claims, upwards of £14000 upon
               accounts which profess to extend only over an additional 3 years.  I
               proceed to explain as far as I am able to do so, in what manner this
               large excess is created.
               
               5.  First a sum of £15.123.19.3 is charged for services & expenditure
               of various descriptions extending generally from 
1851 & 
1853 to 
May
                  1859.  Among these charges the

 principal are:
               
               
               
               For the Salary of the Secretary    )
               
               to the Governor & Treasurer     )    £ 1600.—.—
               
               Maintenance of the Governor               2062.10.—
               
               Government Office Messenger                600.—.—
               
               Powder and Arms &c                         825.—.—
               
               Medical attendance & Medicines            1200.—.—
               
               Maintenance of Clergyman                   687.10.—
               
               Maintenance of Chief Justice       )
               
               and Clerks                      )      3128. 2. 7
               
               Services of Steamer "Otter" as     )
               
               a Guard Ship                    )      4000.—.—
               
               ___________
               
               £14103. 2. 7
               
               
               
               
               
               
               Now of these charges, which being either in the nature of Salaries or
               of estimated expenditure are spread equally over the whole periods
               for

 which they are respectively charged, three fourths had been
               incurred before the 
31st Decr 1857 to which date
               
               
               
                  
                     
                     Govr [D's?] accounts furnished Feby [illegible] introduced
                     expenditure only to 16 Oct 185[?].
                     
                     
                
               
               the Companys accounts were furnished in 
February 1858.  There is no
               explanation of the ground on which they are now brought forward
               further than the words "per statement received from 
Alexr G. Dallas
               Esq dated 
Janry 1860" appended to them.  But if, as may be assumed
               from their silence, the Company did not consider themselves entitled
               in 
February 1858 to make a charge for such services it will be
               necessary that they should explain

 upon what principle they have now
               changed their view.  Any estimate which H.M. Government may make of
               their liabilities to the Company must be valueless if the Company are
               at liberty thus to reopen accounts which have been once sent in
               
               
               
                  
                     
                     With the qualification "so far as can be ascertained from the
                     present [illegible]."
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
                
               
               and admitted, for the purpose of interpolating new charges.
               
               6.  Second.  Interest on balances is charged to the extent in all of
               £3279. 6. 5.  The principle on which this interest is calculated is
               not stated, but I conjecture it to be at the rate of 5 percent

 on the
               mean amount of the balance assumed to be due in each year.  Whether
               this is a customary and correct mode of calculation I am unable to
               say.  But it appears to me very questionable whether the Company is
               entitled to claim any interest at all.
               
               
               
               
               The delay in settling these
               accounts arose first from the introduction into them by the Company
               of inadmissible items—and second from the delay of the company in
               furnishing complete statements.  The only professedly complete
               account furnished by the Company is that

               now under consideration which was received at the Colonial office
               only at the end of 
March last.
               
               7.  Third.  Additional sums amounting in the aggregate to £34300 are
               charged for buildings, Establishments &c.  Of this £13641.7.5 would
               appear from the manner in which it is brought to account in the
               "Balance Account" to be of the same nature as £6956.15.1 charged in
               the account to 
Decr 1857, i.e. to be expenditure on buildings or
               permanent structures.
 
               
               
               
                  
                     
                     Balce on prevs acct from the [Comissionrs?] to 31 Dec/57
                     [figure illegible] outlay on buildgs &c to 16 Oct/56 [figure
                     illegible] see p 3 of this report.
                     
                     
                
               
               The items which compose the remaining £20.660. may be found in the
               "
Vancouvers Island Trust Account," and appear to be for
               Administrative expenses—such as the administration of Justice—the
               Survey Department—Road making—Militia—Churches & Schools—Gaol—"General expenses" &c.
               These if properly vouched would appear to
               be legitimate charges.
               
               
               
                  
                     
                     But incurred before or since 31 Decbr 1857?
                     
                     [Followed by additional note in a different hand, one sentence,
                     illegible].
                     
                     
                
               
               
               8.  Fourth.  A sum of £1000 is charged as Cash advanced to the
               Governor on his Bill.
               
            
            
               9.  Fifth.  The sum of £3490 is charged as Commission on Land

 Sales,
               and £160 on Royalties at the rate of 10 per cent.  At the same time
               the amount with which the Company debit themselves on account of Land
               Sales is only £11430.  The apparent discrepancy arises from the fact
               that on the 
31st Decr last there was, according to a statement in
               the Company's account, a sum of £24056.18.4 still outstanding on Land
               sales effected in 
October 1858.  This amount will of course be
               hereafter paid to the Crown.
               
               10.  These are the principal

 items to which I think it my duty to
               call the 
Duke of Newcastle's notice, but I am bound to add that from
               the manner in which the accounts are made up I cannot feel any
               confidence in the scrutiny to which we have been able to subject them
               in this Office.  The accounts are divided into (1) a Chief account,
               (2) a series of Fur Trade Outfit accounts, (3) Forty three
               subordinate accounts, (4) The 
Vancouvers Island Trust account, (5) A
               Stock Account, and (6) a balance account.  The items comprized in
               them appear

 to have been extracted from the Hudsons Bay Companys
               Books where they formed no doubt a portion of the General and much
               more extensive accounts of the Company, and they have thus fallen
               naturally into the form in which they are here presented.  But
               without an acquaintance with the principles on which the Hudsons Bay
               Company's accounts are kept we cannot do more where doubts arise than
               guess at the explanation of the entries which we find here.  For
               instance—with a few exceptions all the principal

 charges appear
               first in the Fur Trade outfit accounts.  Among these charges we
               constantly find the item "supplies" for a specified service—which
               item is subsequently transferred to its appropriate subordinate
               account.  So far all is clear.  But many of these items are
               afterwards credited to the Comp[an]y partly in the 
Vancouvers
                  Island Trust Account and partly in Balances.  There is no explanation
               of the reasons for this distribution and we can only, therefore,
               suppose that part of the supplies were for permanent and part for
               transitory

 services, and that they have been charged accordingly.
               But this is merely a conjecture adopted for want of any other way of
               explaining the matter.  I may add that the amount expended under the
               term "supplies" or the equally indefinite terms "expenses", "Cash",
               "outlay" or "sundries" is in the whole upward of £35000.
               
               11.  Again the amounts with which the Company debit themselves for
               Land Sales appear to have been in the first instance carried chiefly
               to the Fur Trade outfit

 Accounts, but also partly to the Hudsons Bay
               Company's Accounts and the Land Office account, and whilst a portion
               of them have been carried through the Land Sales account, a large
               portion do not appear there at all.  I am unable to explain the
               reasons for these different processes.
               
               12.  If then H.M. Government should think it necessary (as I presume
               they will) to subject these accounts to a careful examination and to
               require the production of proper vouchers before any further

 payments
               are made to the Company the most satisfactory course would probably
               be to entrust the duty to the Commissioners of Audit or to a
               professional Accountant.  Whoever is employed must pursue his
               examination at the Hudson's Bay C
o's house, and must depend on the
               Company's Officers for assistance in performing his Task.  A
               reference to the Company's Books will be constantly necessary, and
               the Company could not of course be expected to trust them out of
               their own custody, but they would

 probably not object to allow any
               person commissioned by the Government such access to them as may be
               necessary.
               
               13.  That such an examination can, however, be speedily executed or
               can fail to give rise to a multiplicity of questions it would be too
               much to expect.  The largeness of the terms in which the grant of
               
Janry 1849 is couched leaves a wide field for discussion as to the
               principles by which the Company's claims are to be governed.  It may
               under these circumstances be worth considering

 whether it might not
               be easier and more convenient to settle the questions between the
               Crown & the Company by a reference to Arbitration rather than by
               attempting a strict enforcement of the terms of the grant of 
Janry 1849.  In considering that question it will be desirable to bear in
               mind the manner in which the amount to be repaid by the Crown on the
               resumption of the Island is described in that grant.
               
               
               
                  
                     
                     "of the sum or sums of money theretofore laid out and expended by
                     them in and upon the said Island and premises and of the value of
                     their establishments property and effects then being thereon".
                     
                
               
               
               Minutes by CO staff
               
               
               
               
                  
                  
                     Mr Fortescue
                     (N.B. The Vol. of Accounts is retained [in the division?]
                     upstairs.
                     
                     
 
                  
                  
                  
                   
                
            
            
               Documents enclosed with the main document (not transcribed)
               
               
                  
                  
                     "
Vancouver Island Public Accounts 
1857-60," (70 pages).
                     Constitutes the whole of CO 305/16.
                     
                     
 
                
            
            
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                        Fortescue to 
H.H. Berens, Hudson's Bay Company, 
24 June 1861,
                        asking for explanations on certain points in the latest accounts
                        submitted by the company, and advising that an accountant would be
                        appointed to examine them, with the company's permission.
                        
 
                     
                     Minutes by CO staff
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
                        
                        
                           This is the right step to take in the first instance on Mr M's
                           Report of 25th May, but I fear there will be a long delay in coming
                           to any understanding with the H.B.Cy on these accounts.