Murdoch to Elliot (Assistant Under-Secretary)
Emigration Office
17 February 1862
I have to acknowledge your letter of
15th instant enclosing a letter
from the Governor of the Hudsons Bay C
o in answer to the report on
their
Vancouvers Island accounts submitted by
Mr Andoe, the
gentleman appointed by the Treasury to examine those accounts.
2. The first item objected to in
Mr Andoes report was a charge of
£15,123.19.3 for services extending from
1857 to 1859 omitted in
previous returns.
Of this the Governor withdraws £4,000 charged for
the "
Otter" Steamer & expresses a willingness to deal with the rest
on some general principle. Before any conclusion is come to on this
point it would be desirable to have the opinion of
Mr Andoe who has
examined the detailed accounts.
3. An objection was taken by
Mr Andoe to a charge of £2405.13.10
for commission on Land Sales of which a portion of the proceeds only
is brought to the credit of the Crown in these accounts. But as it
is admitted that the balance of the proceeds has been received by the
Governor and applied to the expeneses
of the Colony the Company are
in my opinion entitled to claim the whole Commission. Whether the
Commission due on payments not brought to credit by the Company
should be paid out of Imperial or Colonial Funds is a question
between the Home and Colonial Governments, not between the Government
and the Company.
4. The general objection to the charge of interest the Company
assume could not be maintained and express their willingness to
discuss the question as to the mode in which interest should be
charged. Upon the general question
Government would I presume be
very much guided by Mercantile usage in such matters, with which I am
not acquainted—but on reconsideration I am disposed to modify the
opinion thrown out in my report of
25th May last that no charge for
interest was admissible.
5. The explanation given of the striking difference in the items
making up the charge of £25,550 for introduction of Settlers in the
first account sent in and in the last is remarkable. In the first
instance the Company charged for 350 Settlers only (being one moiety
of the whole number sent
out)
Passage £ 8,050
Maintenance & Wages £
17,500
£25,550
In their second account they increased the number of Settlers to 557
1/2
and the cost of passage to £12,717. 5.-
But they reduced the cost
of maintenance to £12,925. 9.7
£25,642.14.7
and the sums being so nearly the same they retained the original
claim. This explanation to say the best of it shows a very lax mode
of making out the accounts. It is impossible with such an
explanation before us to feel any confidence in other items which
from their nature are rather estimates than actual expenditure.
6. Another item objected to was interest on the moiety of the
expenditure at Fort Rupert which had been admitted by Government. I
do not understand on what ground
Mr Andoe objected to this claim,
unless it is to be understood from his report that the original claim
of £12,469.4.7 included a charge for interest in addition to the
usual charge for interest on the expenditure of the year in which it
is carried to account. There is nothing in the papers sent to us to
show whether this is so or not. If not, I should have been disposed
to consider that if a claim
for interest is to be allowed in any case
it should be in this.
7. I would submit that it would be desirable to communicate
Mr
Berens' letter to
Mr Andoe for any observations he may have to make,
and the
Duke of Newcastle might perhaps think it desirable that
Mr Andoe should be put in personal communication with us on the subject.
After seeing him we might obtain from
Mr Dallas any further
explanations necessary to enable us to submit our views to His Grace.
I have the honor to be
Sir
Your Obedient
Humble Servant
T.W.C. Murdoch
Minutes by CO staff
Mr Fortescue
I think that we had better send both the Hudson's Bay Company's
letter and this one from
Mr Murdoch to
Mr Andoe through the L.C. of
the Treasury and request that their Lordships, if they see no
objection, will put
Mr Andoe into personal communication on the
subject with
Mr Murdoch, with a view to the more ready and complete
consideration of the representations made by the Company.
I think that it might be expedient to add that in various other
matters of discussion with the Company, they had lately shown a great
disposition to come to a Settlement and to put an end to their
differences with the Government.
A copy of our letter to the Treasury should be communicated
officially to
Mr Murdoch.
Other documents included in the file
Elliot to
G.A. Hamilton, Treasury,
21 February 1862, forwarding
correspondence relative to the Hudson's Bay Company's accounts and
asking whether there was any objection to a meeting between
Andoe and
Murdoch to discuss the situation.
People in this document
Andoe, William
Berens, Henry Hulse
Blackwood, Arthur Johnstone
Dallas, Alexander Grant
Elliot, Thomas Frederick
Fortescue, 1st Baron Carlingford Chichester
Hamilton, George Alexander
Murdoch, Thomas William Clinton
Pelham-Clinton, 5th Duke of Newcastle Henry Pelham Fiennes
Vessels in this document
Otter, 1852-1861
Places in this document
Vancouver Island