Hudsons Bay House
                     
                  
               9th August 1858
               
               Sir
                
            
            
               I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of the 
Earl of Carnarvon's letter of the 
28th Ultimo, in which his Lordship,
               adverting to the accounts furnished by the Directors of the
               Hudson's Bay Company to Her Majesty's Government, showing the
               probable amount which would be claimed by the Company as
               compensation in the event of the resumption by the Government,
               of 
Vancouver's Island, states that
               
               Her Majesty's Government are of opinion, and are legally
               advised, that according to the proper and fair construction of
               the Royal Grant of the 
13th January 1849, the obligation of Her
               Majesty's Government to compensate the Company in the event of
               repurchase extends only
to
 
               to sums laid out by the Company on this
               Island and premises as owners thereof, and to the value of the
               establishments, property, and effects of the Company, being
               thereon, and connected with such ownership,
               
               and that they therefore do not acknowledge any obligation on
               their part to compensate the Company for such of their
               establishments and property as are connected with their
               operations as a Company carrying on trade with the Indians.
               His Lordship adds that, on this account, Her Majesty's
               Government cannot hold themselves responsible as regards "the
               Inventories of the goods, stock, and vessels" referred to at the
               end of the account in question, and concludes by stating that it
               will be a matter of separate consideration how far this
               principle may affect the other items of the account.
               
               In reply I beg to state that the account was drawn up in the
               form in which it now appears by directions from the Colonial
               Office.  On the 20
th of January last the Governor received a
               letter from 
Mr Secretary Labouchere, in which he announced the
               intention of the Government

 
               to repurchase and take 
Vancouver's
                  Island from the Hudson's Bay Company at the approaching
               expiration of the Company's License of Trade, and asked for a
               statement of the Sums for which the Company would claim
               repayment upon that event taking place.  In compliance with this
               request the Governor thought it necessary to instruct our
               Accountant to draw up a Statement in Strict conformity with the
               terms of the Grant of the 
13th of January 1849, of which I beg
               to subjoin the Clause which has reference to this subject.  It
               is there stated that at
               
               the expiration of the Company's grant or license of or for the
               exclusive privilege of trading with the Indians, the Government
               reserves to itself full powers to repurchase and take of and
               from the said Governor and Company the said 
Vancouver's Island
               and premises hereby granted, in consideration of payment being
               made by us, our heirs and successors, to the said Governor and
               Company of the sum or sums of money theretofore laid out and
               expended by them in and upon the said Island and premises, and
               of the value of their establishments, property, and effects

 
               then being thereon.
               
               
               It appeared to me that the meaning of these words was perfectly
               clear, and left no doubt that at the period when the Grant was
               made it was understood upon both sides that, in the event of the
               Government resuming possession of 
the Island, the Hudson's Bay
               Company should be compensated for all their outlays, and for the
               value of any establishments, property, and effects which they
               might leave in 
the Island, without any reference to the object
               for which those establishments may have been created; and we
               felt that we were the more entitled to take this view of the
               case because the Grant makes no distinction between the
               establishments belonging to the Company as "owners of the
               Island," and those belonging to them "as a Company carrying on
               trade with the Indians."
               
               It now appears, however, that the Law Officers of the Crown take
               a different view of the matter, and are of opinion that in case
               of the repurchase of 
the Island, there is no obligation on the
               Government to compensate the Company
for
 for any such goods, stock,
               trading vessels or other property as have been created in
               consequence of their Commercial operations.  On this point I
               have merely to say that there is no wish on the part of the
               Company to call upon the Government to assume any responsibility
               which does not fall strictly within the terms of the Grant.  And
               as the Government is legally advised that it is not under any
               obligation to assume any of the establishments or other property
               connected with our trading operations, we will raise no
               objection to the principle laid down by 
Lord Carnarvon with
               respect to any property of that class which may remain on the
               Island.
               
               With respect to the expenses to which we have been put in the
               colonization of 
the Island, the affair is different.  We
               conceive that under the Grant of 
1849 our rights in that respect
               are undoubted, and they are not objected to in 
Lord Carnarvon's
               communication.  His Lordship, indeed, makes a reserve in so far
               as the principle of excluding the Inventories may affect the
               other items of the account, but we believe that no difficulty
               will arise on this point as the account has been carefully drawn
               up with a view to the separation

 
               of those claims which have
               reference to the colonization of 
the Island, and those which
               were more directly connected with the trading interests of the
               Company.
               
               It is most satisfactory to us to learn that you are disposed
               to devote early attention to this important subject; and we
               venture respectfully, but urgently, to impress upon you the
               necessity of as early a settlement as possible of such questions
               as may arise.  Indeed in this respect we have reason to hope
               that no great delay need occur, as we feel, from the careful
               manner in which the accounts have been kept, that there will be
               no great difficulty in adjusting all the claims which the
               Company may have upon the Government.
               
            
            
               I have the honour to be Sir
               Your obed
t humble Servant
               
H.H. Berens
               Dep[u]ty 
Govr
               
               Minutes by CO staff
               
                
                  
                  Mr Merivale
                     As the Company are agreeable to the views of this Office on this
                     point I presume that the correspondence should be referred to
                     the Treasury, asking that Office to give its early cons
n to the
                     subject—unless you 
wd prefer a previous reference of this
                     Letter to the Land Board.
                     
 
                  
                  
                   
                  
                  
                     Land Board first, asking what steps they would now recommend.
                     Annex dt.
                     
                  
                  
                  
                   
            
            
               Other documents included in the file
               
                
                  
                  
                     Draft, 
Merivale to Emigration Commissioners, 
23 August 1858,
                     forwarding copy of the letter for observations.
                     
 
                  
                  
                     Draft, 
Merivale to 
Berens, 
21 September 1858, asking the company
                     to furnish an amended account of the sums claimed by them.