 
                  
                  Sir F. Rogers
                     This is the first statement we have ever 
recd of the Crown Revenue &
                     the expenses put upon that fund during any of the year's comprised in
                     
Sir J. Douglas' period of 
Govt at 
V.C.I.  The amounts confirm the
                     impression, always entertained by myself, that the Crown funds were
                     made to bear several charges for which provision ought properly to
                     have been made by the Legislature.  For instance 
Sir J. Douglas'
                     Salary—though appearing, as I remember in some of the Estimates laid
                     before the Assembly—has practically been paid out of the Crown
                     Revenue.  It will be seen that the Crown fund has been in excess of
                     the exp
se and that the Estimate of this year, will, if realized,
                     leave a large balance in hand.  The prospects, moreover, of still
                     further increments from the sale of Crown Lands, & the discovery of
                     gold, are by no means inconsiderable—the result of which will give
                     the 
Govt a good vantage ground if ever the Assembly should enter the
                     negotiation about a Civil List.  But from the way this Assembly is
                     going on I indulge the hope that we may be spared much further
                     trouble with them on this head and that a junction with 
B. Columbia
                     by becoming an act of necessity, may solve that difficulty.
                     
 
                  
                  
                     Strictly speaking I think that these accounts of a Crown fund should
                     be communicated to the Treasury.  But that Dep
t—combined with the
                     Comm
rs of Audit—will pick holes in the past expenditure which it
                     
wd be perfectly useless for us to make any remonstrance about to
                     the Colony.  The fact is that in 
Sir J. Douglas' time he paid all the
                     expenses of the public service of 
V.C. Island out of the Crown Estate
                     there and the funds of 
B.C., and 
V.C. Isl. in great measure
                     escaped taxation.
                     
 
                  
                  
                     Mr Ebden
                     1.What led to the demand for accounts?
                     
 
                  
                  
                     2.Under what authority are the follg items levied
                     
                     
                     Harbour Dues           1859-1860
                     
                     Postage                1859
                     
                     Fees, Supreme Court    1863
                     
                     
                  
                  
                     Am I right in supposing that what has apparently happened is this.
                     The Crown Fund and General Rev
e have been expended indiscriminately.
                     Now the two are separated.  An account is made of all that has been
                     
recd wh ought to have been paid into the Cr. Fund, and of all that
                     has been paid out which ought to have

 been paid out of the Crown Fund
                     and that the difference is assumed to have been advanced for matters
                     
wh ought to have been paid for out of the 
Genl Revenue.
                     
                     If so I do not wonder at the Assembly's repudiating the charge.
                     
                  
                  
                     It seems to me the total claim (thus calculated) is for
                     
                     
                     29.034     Balance to 
Sir J Douglas
                     
                     13.611
                     
                     42,645     Say 8000£
                     
                     
                     But against this is possibly to be set as 
Mr Blackwood
                     [said] a considerable part of the foll
g sums
                     
                     
                     Harbour Dues         1262
                     
                     
2127
                     
                     3,389
                     
                     Postage               245
                     
                     
 51
                     
                     194
                     
                     Net fees of Sup. Court—several thousand pounds.
                     
                     
                     
 
                  
                  
                     Per contra it is impossible to say how much of the Salaries are
                     really payable from the Cr. Fund.
                     
                  
                  
                     The Assembly's vote for Salaries unless I am mistaken was contingent
                     upon the Land Fund being handed over?  Was it treated as if it was
                     absolute?  In whole or in part?
                     
                  
                  
                   
                  
                  
                  
                  
                     In 
1864 Governor Kennedy wrote home that the public accounts had
                     never been audited in England and enquired whether this practice had
                     the Sanction of the Secretary of State.
                     
                     He was told (
1st August 1864) that the General Revenue accounts did
                     not require to be audited in England but that the Crown Revenue
                     accounts ought to have been so audited, and he was instructed,
                     failing the absorption of the Crown Revenue into the General Revenue
                     by the House of Assemblys acceptance of the proposed civil list, to
                     send home from year to year, as to the Crown Revenue, estimates of
                     Revenue and Expenditure for approval and

 accounts for audit, and
                     under any circumstances to send home a statement of past receipts &
                     expenditure.
                     
                     
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                     9813/
65
                     
                     He has now sent home a Statement of receipts & expenditure from 1859
                        to 1864, together with a brief estimate of the Revenue and Expenditure
                     for the current year.
                     
                  
                  
                     The first recorded authority under which Harbour dues were raised
                     
wd appear to be a local Act passed in
                     
December 1860 fixing the dues and constituting the receipts from
                     them a separate fund by the name of the "Harbour Fund."
                     
                     
                     
                        
                           
                           Question 1.  On what authority are Harbour Dues wh to 1860 counted as
                           Crown Revenues.  Ansr.  No authority appears.  When an Act was
                           passed on the subject, the Dues ceased to be treated as Crown
                           Revenue.
                           
                        
                      
                     
                     This Act was repealed in 
1862 and in its place are now in force
                     "The 
Victoria Harbour Dues Act 
1862" and "the Ports of Entry Act
                     
1863."  Not one of these three Acts however has anything to do with
                     the Harbour Revenue of 
1860 or previous years except perhaps to imply
                     that it was
                     
not necessarily Crown Revenue.
                     
 
                  
                  
                     No indication appears of the authority under which postage has been
                     levied, except that in the Blue Book 
1863 the postage amounting to
                     £465 is stated to have been levied under the "Governors
                     instructions."
                     
                     
                     
                        
                           
                           Your question answers as to passage.  Why postage is continued as
                           Crown Reve in 1859 but not afterwards does not appear.
                           
                        
                      
                     
                     
                     Blue Book 63 and bound Vol. 1857
                     
                     Fees in the Inferior or Summary Court of Civil Justice are payable
                     under an order of the Supreme Court dated the 6th of April 1857.
                     
                  
                  
                     Fees in the Supreme Court are payable under an order of the Court
                     dated the 3rd of April 1860 and subsequent orders.
                     
                  
                  
                     (N.B. The fees under the Bankruptcy Act 
1862 are appropriated to the
                     purposes of the Bankruptcy Court.)
                     
                     
9249/63 [and] 10019/63
                     
                     Governor Douglas sent home accounts of Revenue & Expenditure from 
1
                        Jany 1862 to 30 June 1863 which go to justify your conjecture as to
                     the indiscriminate appropriation of the Crown and General Revenues.
                     
                     
Printed enc. 8114/64
                      
                  
                  
                     I do not know what has guided 
Captain Kennedy in the determination of

                     what is Crown Revenue and I believe that there has been no rule for
                     its appropriation except that (
30th April 1864) the Governor was
                     instructed to pay out of it his own Salary (£3000) and the Colonial
                     Secretarys (£600) and (?) Surveyor General's quite recently.
                     
                     
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                     9813/
65
                     
                     All that can safely be said appears to me to be that a statement has
                     been furnished of items of Revenue which are assumed to have been
                     Crown Revenue, together with a Statement of items of expenditure
                     which are assumed to have been defrayed (justifiably or not) from
                     that Revenue, leaving a balance on 
31 Decr 1864 of $26550.70
                     
                     
                     
                        
                           
                           i.e. there ought to have been, and was virtually, that balance, but
                           the money had been expended under note of indemnity of 30 June 64.
                           
                        
                      
                     
                     which has been actually expended under the promise of indemnity in
                     the 2
nd clause of the Resolution of Assembly of 
30th June 1864.
                     
                     
9074/65, see estimates (sup) enc. No 8 and
                     
                     Governor's message No 11—enc. 9
                     
                     9813/64, see also Govrs message enc. 10 in 9074
                     
                     The Governor inserted in the Supplementary estimates 
1865 $34,066.20
                     instead of $26550.70

 to which he now reports that the claim has been
                     reduced by audit.
                     
                     
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                     6971/
64
                     
                     Report from Committee enc. 10 in 9074
                     
                     The difference however though great has nothing to do with the
                     Assembly's repudiation of the claim which proceeded upon the argument
                     that, by laying down on the 
1st August 1864 that the audit of the
                     Crown Revenue should be placed on a proper footing prospectively, 
Mr
                        Cardwell endorsed all previous expenditure of Crown Revenue.  The
                     Assembly therefore repudiated the claim their vote of indemnity
                     notwithstanding.
                     
                     Mr Cardwells instructions of 
1 August 1864 were however quite remote
                     from the question now at issue.
                     
 
                  
                  
                     The Salaries Act of 
1860 voted certain salaries
                     
                     
                     
                        
                           
                           Govr Col 
Secy C Justice 
Atty Gen. Treasurer Surveyor Gen.  There
                           may have been [other?] justification for paying these Salaries out of
                           the Crown fund however—that otherwise the officers 
wd have been
                           without legal Salary except the 
Govr who had £3000 from 
B. Columbia
                           & [the] Col. 
Secy who at that time was also Col. 
Secy of 
B.C. &
                           had £700 or £800 as such.
                           
                           
 
                        
                      
                     
                     out of the General Revenue but provided that they should not be paid
                     out of that Revenue until the surrender of the Crown Revenue.  This
                     Act has been left unnoticed.  The Salaries Act is a permanent Act,
                     but the sum necessary to pay

 the salaries under it has since been
                     voted in separate Acts from year to year on the same condition.
                     
                     
9249/63 [and] 10019/63
                     
                     The officers concerned, with the exception of the Governor, 
wd appear
                     by the accounts received from 
Sir Jas. Douglas to have drawn their
                     Salaries, the condition in the Salaries Act or Acts notwithstanding.
                     
                     
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                     9813/
65
                     
                     By the accounts received from 
Governor Kennedy Sir Jas. Douglas wd
                     appear to have now drawn his arrears (if they can be called so) of
                     salary under the Acts of 
1860 & since $13611 = £2835 nearly, or about
                     3 1/2 years salary at £800 a year—vir[tually] from 
autumn of 1860 to
                        spring of 1864.
                     
                     Captain Kennedy's intention is evidently to include it in the
                     expenditure defrayable from Crown Revenue and not to add it to the
                     $26,550.70.
                     
 
                  
                  
                   
                  
                  
                  
                  
                     This question of audit of Crown Revenue is so much mixed up with the
                     general administration of the Colony that I leave it in your hands,
                     merely stating what occurs to me.
                     
                  
                  
                     My impression is that in all the 
VCI financial questions the great
                     object to be arrived at is to get a fresh & firm start.
                     
                     It is impossible to do more than conjecture from the papers sent home
                     why many of the different items of receipt & expenditure are classed
                     in Crown rather than General Revenue or why they are so classed in
                     one year rather than another.
                     
                  
                  
                     I should anticipate no good from ripping up these accounts and I
                     should be disposed to treat the

 Local Audit as final (if possible) up
                     to the end of 
1863—unless 
Govr Kennedy thinks that there is any
                     fraud or gross negligence 
wh requires to be investigated and could
                     be investigated with profit.
                     
                     After that period that is to say for 1864 and 1865 I wd require the
                     Crown accounts to be strictly separated from the General Revenue and
                     sent home for Audit as in Crown Colonies.
                     
                  
                  
                     But, I suppose, Treasury concurrence would be necessary for this
                     species of amnesty.
                     
                  
                  
                     I propose it because I imagine the financial affairs of 
V.C.I. to
                     have been so conducted under 
Gov. Douglas that by endeavouring to
                     audit the former

 distinctly from General Revenues, we shall embark on
                     a task 
wh we cannot effect, & shall have our attention carried away
                     from what we can effect—viz prospective separation of the accounts &
                     prospective regularity.
                     
                     This waiver of audit previous to 1864 must not be considered as
                     affecting the claims of the Crown Revenue upon the General Revenue in
                     respect of past years:  in respect to wh vide 9074/1865.  The two
                     things have evidently no connexion.
                     
                  
                  
                     At the same time I would in fact consent to a very liberal settlement
                     of these claims, if by such a settlement regularity was secured for
                     the future.
                     
                  
                  
                     Practically the next step appears to me to write to the Treasury to
                     request that these papers

 may be referred to the Audit Office, in
                     order that the Comm
s may advise this department as to the steps 
wh
                     shd be taken & the instructions 
wh should be given in order to
                     secure a proper audit of these accounts and suggesting that the
                     object should be to secure at once a complete audit for the future,
                     beginning from some comparatively recent date—as the 
1st Jan. 1864
                     leaving the previous accounts about 
wh much difficulty m
t be
                     expected to be treated separately as may be found practicable.