Despatch to London.
Minutes (2), Other documents (1).
Douglas sends Newcastle a lengthy explanation of his understanding of the dispute between the government
and the
HBC regarding land in Victoria, complaining that notwithstanding my repeated applications [to the
HBC] for information upon the subject I am up to this moment in utter ignorance as to
whether any, and if so what land, has to be surrendered
by the Company.
No. 57
3 December 1862
I have the honor to acknowledge receipt of your Despatch No 119, of
the 1st October 1862, communicating to me that a payment of the sum of £32,500, was about to be made by
the Imperial Treasury to the
Hudson's Bay Company, in dischargeof of the Company's claims on the
Crown in consequence of its assumption of Vancouver Island.
2. I regret that I should still be unable to inform Your Grace of
the precise nature and bearing of the Indenture of the 3rd February 1862, forwarded to me in your Despatch No 84, for notwithstanding my
repeated applications for information upon the subject I am up to
this moment in utter ignorance asto to whether any, and if so what
land, has to be surrendered by the Company under that Indenture.
3. I endeavored to bring the matter to an issue by forwarding to the
local Agent of the Company Sketch Maps of the lands specifically
mentioned in the Agreement as to be conveyed to the Crown. In nearly
every case however the Boundaries have been disputed by the Company,
and in one caseviz viz. the Reserve for the Harbour Master's Office at
the foot of Fort Street, as mentioned in the Indenture, the site has
been altogether changed. I cannot however bring these matters
clearly before Your Grace except as a whole, and I cannot do that
until I obtain from the Company a Map exhibiting distinctly the lands
that will revert to the Crown under the Indenture.
4. As various Plans are alluded to by the Indenture I presume some
must have been referred toat at the time of discussion. Should such
have been the case, it would be very desirable that I should be
supplied with Copies; for, notwithstanding that the "Company's Plan"
is frequently mentioned in the Indenture—from my inability to
procure a Copy, from the Surveyor General having been unable even to
obtain a sight of any such Plan when specially sent by me to inspect
it, and from his having been refused any account of lands sold
previous to the 1st January 1862, coupled with thefact fact that since
the receipt here of the Indenture, Surveyors have been seen placing
Boundary posts, and apparently running lines upon portions of land
that is still unoccupied and was supposed to be unsold—I am really
constrained to doubt the existence in the Colony at the time the
Indenture was received of any properly constructed general Map or
plan upon which the Sales of the still unoccupied land to the South
of James Bay had been made. Upon no other hypothesis can I account
for the remarkable difficulty I have experienced in my endeavors to
obtain the information I was bound to seek,and and which the Company are
bound to furnish, unless indeed it be the object of the Company to
secure from Her Majesty's Government the payment referred to in Your
Grace's Despatch now under reply, before rendering statements that
would disclose the true character of the Indenture of Agreement of
February last, and would shew how little the Crown benefitted by that
Indenture.
I have the honor to be
My Lord Duke
Your Grace's most obedient
and humble Servant James Douglas
Elliot to Emigration Commissioners, 2 February 1863, forwarding copy
of the present and a subsequent despatch relating to the agreement
with the Hudson's Bay Company for their suggestions and observations.